victorcorcos
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I wanna say I think Naruto is ENFP instead of ESFP which means Ne dom instead of Se dom.
I can understand people are confusing Ne and Se because they are looking at online descriptions of Ne and Se. However there are a lot of misconceptions online... On the original book Psychological Types created by Carl Jung we can see the clear difference between Ne and Se and I will make my argument based on the original text.
Ne and Se can look alike one another, because both of them are extraverted perception functions, so they love to interact with the external world, the world around them. Characteristics like impulsivity or reckless can be applied to both Ne and Se, both of them are avid explorers, be either of sensations (Se) or possibilities (Ne). That's why a lot of Ne doms usually are eneagrams 7, which constantly seek new experiences, challenges and can have problems with impatience and impulsiveness.
The main difference between Ne and Se is that:
1) Se looks at the external objects as what it is, concretely, realistically.
2) Ne looks at the external object as what it could be, as what it could become, expectancy, potentials, possibilities.
That main difference between Se and Ne makes Ne more Idealistic and Se more Realistic by consequence.
And before people start to say that “it is just a stereotype”, let’s take a look at what Carl Jung says in his original book: Psychological Types.
Extraverted Sensation) “No other human type can equal the extraverted sensation type in realism.”
~ Carl Jung
Extraverted Intuition) “He actually has sensations, but he is not guided by them per se, merely using them as directing-points for his distant vision.”
~ Carl Jung
The question is pretty simple: Is Naruto a Realist or he is a person that uses the world around him as directing-points for his distant vision?
The answer is pretty obvious if we look at this main difference between Se and Ne.
Naruto is not a Realist at all.
Naruto is all about believing in possibilities.
Why?
Because
Naruto believes the world will become better even with all of the quintessential war of nations that constantly happen.
Naruto believes potential cold-blooded murderers like Gaara, Pain, Obito, etc will change their behavior and stop to act so badly.
Naruto believes the war will stop to happen.
Naruto believes Sasuke will stop to be so cold and revengeful.
Naruto believes he will take out all the hate inside Kurama as well: “Some day I'll come after all the hate inside you as well 
“
Naruto believes Sasuke will come back to Konoha
Naruto even believes he will change the Hyuuga clan to a better version.
And finally, Naruto believes he will become a Hokage
Like, come on, to name another example... When Naruto was questioned by Pain about how he would end the cycle of hatred, Naruto's answer was to simply ask him to believe in the fact that he'll find a way to bring true peace to the world. The history of shinobi shows that the peace they built rested on sacrifices, yet Naruto believed he would achieve peace with nothing more than words. Naruto is overly idealistic.
That’s why we love Naruto, right? He does not accept the world as it is by being a Realist. Naruto is the opposite, he believes in a world with better possibilities.
Naruto absolutely is not a realist (Se), he is a possibility-minded person (Ne) which turns him into that idealistic dreamer personality full of hope of a world better than it is now. What could be > What it is. This is the core of Naruto’s personality and can be shown from Classic to Shippuden!
Also, Carl Jung already explictly wrote what Se thinks about ideals related to ideas.
Extraverted Sensation) "His ideal is the actual¹; in this respect he is considerate. He has no ideals related to ideas"
~ Carl Jung, Psychological Types
actual¹: "existing in fact; typically as contrasted with what was intended, expected, or believed."
~ Oxford Languages
It speaks for itself...
How could we believe this is the dominating function for Uzumaki Naruto?
No ideals related to ideas?!
Also, some people argue all of this strong idealistic nature of Naruto comes from his Fi aux... well, that's not how Fi works. It is not the auxiliary Fi the one that makes Naruto idealistic in a way that make him believe in better possibilities. Yes, Fi has strong authentic opinions and believes in unconscious images, but they keep it for themselves in a silent and cold attitude and has no interest in influencing others regarding his beliefs, like Jung said
Introverted Feeling) "They reveal a delightful repose, a sympathetic parallelism, which has no desire to affect others, either to impress, influence, or change them in any way.", "They neither shine nor reveal themselves. Since they submit the control of their lives to their subjectively orientated feeling", "They are mostly silent, inaccessible, and hard to understand"
~ Carl Jung, Psychological Types
It is the dominating Ne that makes the person keeps talking about his ideals, talking about better possibilities and inspiring others in believing in a world with better possibilities. It is the dominating Ne that irradiates the enthusiasm around better possibilities and influence others by the enthusiasm as a consequence. And this is not stereotype. It actually is totally aligned with Carl Jung’s description of Extraverted Intuition
Extraverted Intuition) “His capacity to inspire his fellow-men with courage, or to kindle enthusiasm for something new, is unrivalled, although he may have forsworn it by the morrow. The more powerful and vivid his intuition, the more is his subject fused and blended with the divined possibility. He animates it; he presents it in plastic shape and with convincing fire; he almost embodies it. It is not a mere histrionic display, but a fate.”
~ Carl Jung, Psychological Types
This is totally Naruto when he starts to think in better possibilities like the 8 examples I showed above...
Naruto’s personality is grounded on this characteristic of Ne...
There are a lot of misconceptions online regarding ENFP x ESFP and regarding Ne x Se and I want to point what Carl Jung himself has to say about Ne and Se.
Cheers!
I can understand people are confusing Ne and Se because they are looking at online descriptions of Ne and Se. However there are a lot of misconceptions online... On the original book Psychological Types created by Carl Jung we can see the clear difference between Ne and Se and I will make my argument based on the original text.
Ne and Se can look alike one another, because both of them are extraverted perception functions, so they love to interact with the external world, the world around them. Characteristics like impulsivity or reckless can be applied to both Ne and Se, both of them are avid explorers, be either of sensations (Se) or possibilities (Ne). That's why a lot of Ne doms usually are eneagrams 7, which constantly seek new experiences, challenges and can have problems with impatience and impulsiveness.
The main difference between Ne and Se is that:
1) Se looks at the external objects as what it is, concretely, realistically.
2) Ne looks at the external object as what it could be, as what it could become, expectancy, potentials, possibilities.
That main difference between Se and Ne makes Ne more Idealistic and Se more Realistic by consequence.
And before people start to say that “it is just a stereotype”, let’s take a look at what Carl Jung says in his original book: Psychological Types.
Extraverted Sensation) “No other human type can equal the extraverted sensation type in realism.”
~ Carl Jung
Extraverted Intuition) “He actually has sensations, but he is not guided by them per se, merely using them as directing-points for his distant vision.”
~ Carl Jung
The question is pretty simple: Is Naruto a Realist or he is a person that uses the world around him as directing-points for his distant vision?The answer is pretty obvious if we look at this main difference between Se and Ne.
Naruto is not a Realist at all.
Naruto is all about believing in possibilities.
Why?
Because
Naruto believes the world will become better even with all of the quintessential war of nations that constantly happen. Naruto believes potential cold-blooded murderers like Gaara, Pain, Obito, etc will change their behavior and stop to act so badly. Naruto believes the war will stop to happen. Naruto believes Sasuke will stop to be so cold and revengeful. Naruto believes he will take out all the hate inside Kurama as well: “Some day I'll come after all the hate inside you as well “ Naruto believes Sasuke will come back to Konoha Naruto even believes he will change the Hyuuga clan to a better version. And finally, Naruto believes he will become a HokageLike, come on, to name another example... When Naruto was questioned by Pain about how he would end the cycle of hatred, Naruto's answer was to simply ask him to believe in the fact that he'll find a way to bring true peace to the world. The history of shinobi shows that the peace they built rested on sacrifices, yet Naruto believed he would achieve peace with nothing more than words. Naruto is overly idealistic.
That’s why we love Naruto, right? He does not accept the world as it is by being a Realist. Naruto is the opposite, he believes in a world with better possibilities.
Naruto absolutely is not a realist (Se), he is a possibility-minded person (Ne) which turns him into that idealistic dreamer personality full of hope of a world better than it is now. What could be > What it is. This is the core of Naruto’s personality and can be shown from Classic to Shippuden!
Also, Carl Jung already explictly wrote what Se thinks about ideals related to ideas.
Extraverted Sensation) "His ideal is the actual¹; in this respect he is considerate. He has no ideals related to ideas"
~ Carl Jung, Psychological Types
actual¹: "existing in fact; typically as contrasted with what was intended, expected, or believed."
~ Oxford Languages
It speaks for itself...
How could we believe this is the dominating function for Uzumaki Naruto?
No ideals related to ideas?!
Also, some people argue all of this strong idealistic nature of Naruto comes from his Fi aux... well, that's not how Fi works. It is not the auxiliary Fi the one that makes Naruto idealistic in a way that make him believe in better possibilities. Yes, Fi has strong authentic opinions and believes in unconscious images, but they keep it for themselves in a silent and cold attitude and has no interest in influencing others regarding his beliefs, like Jung said
Introverted Feeling) "They reveal a delightful repose, a sympathetic parallelism, which has no desire to affect others, either to impress, influence, or change them in any way.", "They neither shine nor reveal themselves. Since they submit the control of their lives to their subjectively orientated feeling", "They are mostly silent, inaccessible, and hard to understand"
~ Carl Jung, Psychological Types
It is the dominating Ne that makes the person keeps talking about his ideals, talking about better possibilities and inspiring others in believing in a world with better possibilities. It is the dominating Ne that irradiates the enthusiasm around better possibilities and influence others by the enthusiasm as a consequence. And this is not stereotype. It actually is totally aligned with Carl Jung’s description of Extraverted Intuition
Extraverted Intuition) “His capacity to inspire his fellow-men with courage, or to kindle enthusiasm for something new, is unrivalled, although he may have forsworn it by the morrow. The more powerful and vivid his intuition, the more is his subject fused and blended with the divined possibility. He animates it; he presents it in plastic shape and with convincing fire; he almost embodies it. It is not a mere histrionic display, but a fate.”
~ Carl Jung, Psychological Types
This is totally Naruto when he starts to think in better possibilities like the 8 examples I showed above...Naruto’s personality is grounded on this characteristic of Ne...
There are a lot of misconceptions online regarding ENFP x ESFP and regarding Ne x Se and I want to point what Carl Jung himself has to say about Ne and Se.
Cheers!
