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It looks like I will now have to stay off FaceBook today. It's not people on my friends list causing the spoiler issues, it's stupid movie sites that are posting what amounts to spoilers in their tag point for articles they are releasing about the film, so you don't even have to click on the page to see a one-line spoiler.

You would think it wouldn't be hard to not put a spoiler there.


I rewatched the original again last night, to have a fresh memory of it.

You know, I'm not sure how the timelines work per se. There's a piece of computer text in the opening panel of The Matrix and one at the end, which reveals the entire first movie takes place between Feb 19, 1999, and September 18, 1999. But then all these web sites keep saying Reloaded (and also Revolutions, then) takes place only six months after the first film. That seems rather dumb, they should have given it a year or two. I am not aware of a "six months" comment but I could have forgotten one -- or maybe it was in one of the Animatrix sequences?
To add the confusion, remember that it's also actually 2699. Morpheus says 2199 in the original film, but he's unaware of the existence of previous iterations of the Matrix.


Zion, according to the Architect, has been completely destroyed five times by the time of the sixth One, Neo, meets the Architect. As a result, the actual year on Earth is estimated to be closer to 2699, not 2199. If you take into consideration that The Matrix Resurrections takes place 20 years later, it would now be somewhere around 2718 in the real world.
 

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To add the confusion, remember that it's also actually 2699. Morpheus says 2199 in the original film, but he's unaware of the existence of previous iterations of the Matrix.

Yeah, I am well aware of the 5 centuries in there.

I am discussing how long it is between The Matrix and The Matrix Reloaded -- I don't recall what reference just says it is "six months". That just doesn't seem realistic, if The Matrix events actually take seven months. It seems kind of dumb to me.... aside from maybe with "The One" manifesting, the rate of chaos has increased geometrically.

It's really bizarre to think that Neo joins Morpheus, seven months later is killed and comes back as the One, and then just six months later the events of both other movies occurs. It's like birth->growth->decline->death all happening in a very short period of time.

Even the ministry of Jesus supposedly happened over three years.
 

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Yeah, I am well aware of the 5 centuries in there.

I am discussing how long it is between The Matrix and The Matrix Reloaded -- I don't recall what reference just says it is "six months". That just doesn't seem realistic, if The Matrix events actually take seven months. It seems kind of dumb to me.... aside from maybe with "The One" manifesting, the rate of chaos has increased geometrically.

It's really bizarre to think that Neo joins Morpheus, seven months later is killed and comes back as the One, and then just six months later the events of both other movies occurs. It's like birth->growth->decline->death all happening in a very short period of time.

Even the ministry of Jesus supposedly happened over three years.
For some reason I never give that much thought to how long things take place in movies. Movies kind of operate on their own time in my head. My impression, on being asked to think about it, is that the events of the first Matrix take place over a week to a month. Not sure about the distance between it and Reloaded. A year is what I would probably guess.
 

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For some reason I never give that much thought to how long things take place in movies. Movies kind of operate on their own time in my head. My impression, on being asked to think about it, is that the events of the first Matrix take place over a week to a month. Not sure about the distance between it and Reloaded. A year is what I would probably guess.
Yeah, you would think the first Matrix would take place over a month or so.

Watch the very beginning and end of the film. (I just watched it last night.) There is a specific time stamp prompt telling you that the opening frame of the film occurs on 2/19/1999 (the year is fake obviously) and the end frame of the film occurs on 9/18/1999.
 

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Yeah, you would think the first Matrix would take place over a month or so.

Watch the very beginning and end of the film. (I just watched it last night.) There is a specific time stamp prompt telling you that the opening frame of the film occurs on 2/19/1999 (the year is fake obviously) and the end frame of the film occurs on 9/18/1999.
Huh. Perhaps that's only the epilogue with Neo's message that takes place like five months later?

I feel like it would have definitely taken him more than one day for his body to readjust from being in the pods, and I could see it taking a few weeks even, so that's how I came away with the month thing. There's also the training. Since Morpheus believed he was the one, he would have probably taken him to the Oracle as soon as he believed he was physically and mentally ready.
 

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If it had been Sean Connery as Morpheus and Will Smith as Neo. I have nothing against Will Smith as an actor but I think there's something about Keanu and his detached vibe that makes him perfect for the part. Will Smith I can't see being so detached.
 

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Well, yeah... that really was pretty meta!

Keanu can still be a little stilted with his line delivery, but it didn't bother me in this film.


EDIT: Btw, in case you watch it and are confused by some of it, I was skimming online and found at least one decent writeup that seems to capture the major elements in some detail.
 
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Well, yeah... that really was pretty meta!

Keanu can still be a little stilted with his line delivery, but it didn't bother me in this film.


EDIT: Btw, in case you watch it and are confused by some of it, I was skimming online and found at least one decent writeup that seems to capture the major elements in some detail.
It wasn't as good as the first but it was much better than I was expecting when the project was first announced.

 
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Regarding Lambert Wilson:



Regarding Priyanka Chopra Jones


Regarding Jada Pinkett-Smith:


Regarding Yahya Abdul-Mateen II:



Regarding Jonathan Groff:
 
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My overall feelings about the film:

I enjoyed watching it, but we're off the beaten path. I don't think the film justifies its existence, even if it is nice to "check in" on Matrix world, the world would have gone on fine without this film. It even could serve as a soft reboot for more films... but I don't see any compelling story that would necessitate such a continuance. I'm generally viewing it as expensive grief counseling for Lana (because she said as much, I don't mean that in a cruel sense but just that the film seemed more to satisfy her own processing of pain, than necessarily a film that the audience needed) and she was kind enough to take us along for the ride.

Regarding the plot:


Regarding Keanu Reeves:


Regarding Carrie-Anne Moss:


Regarding Doogie Howser / AKA Neil Patrick Harris:



It wasn't as good as the first but it was much better than I was expecting when the project was first announced.


 
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I rewatched it at home this afternoon, just to see what I picked up on second pass and/or how things might gel.

There were a number of jokes / silly things tossed in, if you are paying attention. Note for example that the vertical sign that Bugs slides down early in the film is "ANDERSON" and there's a flash panel near the bottom that says something in neon like "Where the food tastes like shit!"
 

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Sometimes we view movies based on who we are, not on what the film actually is.

It sounds like the mixed reviews are more about unmet expectations. It is why I tend to view this more as an epilogue film than a fourth installment. I guess it was either this or something that could have been arguably better or maybe a LOT worse if the studio had brought newbies in to make a fourth film. Then again, maybe a fourth film would have started fresh rather than trying to connect too much to the past.

My expectations were pretty modest and despite any disappointment, I feel much better than I did after TROS came out previously which failed on so many levels not even related to the property but just from a storytelling / film-making perspective.
 

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Sometimes we view movies based on who we are, not on what the film actually is.

It sounds like the mixed reviews are more about unmet expectations. It is why I tend to view this more as an epilogue film than a fourth installment. I guess it was either this or something that could have been arguably better or maybe a LOT worse if the studio had brought newbies in to make a fourth film. Then again, maybe a fourth film would have started fresh rather than trying to connect too much to the past.

My expectations were pretty modest and despite any disappointment, I feel much better than I did after TROS came out previously which failed on so many levels not even related to the property but just from a storytelling / film-making perspective.
Oh, there is no comparison between this and Rise of Reddit.
 

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I think the plot would be more interesting if they had kept the trilogy ending and instead went back to the time on which the wars on machine started, like telling the story between more or less our world until the world of Matrix. It would be definitely more interesting than this. This film also did not really add much to the story on the big picture.

I don't think it is that bad as some says, and I can't say Im disappointed because I wasn't expecting anything at all TBH (and when I say I wasn't expecting anything, I don't mean that I was expecting the movie to be bad, I mean I just went to see the movie for curiosity and fun), but I see that it could be much better in a lot of ways. I think the effects and acting were good (even though they shouldn't had replaced Morpheus and Smith actors - they should either kept the same or just had dropped these characters), but I think the plot story weak.
 

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They were apparently trying to get Hugo Weaving but couldn't because of scheduling, hence Jonathan Groff ended up doing it.

The Morpheus character in the modal was a combination of Smith and Morpheus, hence a different appearance. The Trinity construct was similar to but not the same as the Carrie-Anne Moss Trinity as well. Everything in that modal was similar to the "reality" we recall from The Matrix, but they were just iterations of the characters and not exactly the same.

Yeah, this is why I view this film as an "epilogue" rather than as part of the main story. People can take it or leave it, it's not essential to the original trilogy and just offers an additional piece of story.

I get the feeling part of the reason Lana made it (aside from working through personal matters) was because the studio had been pushing for another Matrix film and had even put other writers on it at times, and she figured it was better for her to do something than for a new person to take it over. i.e., blame the studio.
 
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@rep regarding Luke's training on Dagobah since I can't view your profile.

I feel like that's maybe a month. I think you could probably reason that it took them a fair amount of time to get to Bespin because they don't have a hyperdrive. Also it seems like the Han Leia relationship developed significantly which would make more sense if there was more time. They definitely did it at least once on that trip. There was a thread on the Jedi Council forms on theforce.net alluding to such, haha.
 

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I guess I'll be dead by the time it moves into real life and hologram projections. Maybe they can scan my brain before I conk off in 25 years and a semblance of my virtual consciousness can live on...
 
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