Is the alpha male more alpha than someone who laughs and looks down on him?

[INTP]

So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

So which is the real alpha male?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

So which is the real alpha male?

Which one are others drawn to?

 

[INTP]

Which one are others drawn to?

Is not relevant "In social animals, the alpha is the individual in the community with the highest rank...Alphas may achieve their status by means of superior physical prowess and/or through social efforts and building alliances within the group."-wiki

 

[Cellmold]

Isn't the Alpha the one who sits at the top, but then...is it about physicality, drive, intelligence? Success perhaps? The vibe? The one who commands?

Is Bill Gates an Alpha because he was successful, he sits at the top and he commands? If not then why hasn't an alpha toppled him with it's inherent superiority. What about other alpha's to an alpha? Which alpha is the alphaist?

How come little fat bald men with tiny penises, who don't dominate any environment, can run big businesses and command large groups of people? I guess those alphas get the alpha women as well, right? I suppose alphas get the group to do what they want, apart from those who don't but they could also be alphas?

It's almost like it's bullshit or something...I can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Isn't the Alpha the one who sits at the top, but then...is it about physicality, drive, intelligence? Success perhaps? The vibe? The one who commands?

Is Bill Gates an Alpha because he was successful, he sits at the top and he commands? If not then why hasn't an alpha toppled him with it's inherent superiority. What about other alpha's to an alpha? Which alpha is the alphaist?

It's almost like it's bullshit or something...I can't quite put my finger on it.

The one who commands is the closest thing I've seen to the way I would describe it.

 

[INTP]

The one who commands is the closest thing I've seen to the way I would describe it.

Yea, but the question is if the alpha is not able to command someone, someone who just looks down on him and ignores the alphas attempts to show physical power or stuff like that and is not afraid of the alpha in any way

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Yea, but the question is if the alpha is not able to command someone, someone who just looks down on him and ignores the alphas attempts to show physical power or stuff like that and is not afraid of the alpha in any way

Sounds like your describing an alpha and a hipster.

 

[Cellmold]

The one who commands is the closest thing I've seen to the way I would describe it.

Ah ok.

So is this an objective observation? Did Ghandi command? I guess he's not an alpha though, but he sure was successful in some aspects. But then I suppose it depends on your definition of success, that must suck for alpha's. People keep changing the definition.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

A good way to think about it would be this.

Were all the laws of civil society to evaporate, they would probably be running the show among their peers.

 

[Mad Hatter]

So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

So which is the real alpha male?

I'd say if there is a guy who can laugh at an alpha male like that and get away with it, or if his authority isn't natural and looks ridiculous to others, the alpha male isn't really in control.

 

[INTP]

Sounds like your describing an alpha and a hipster.

Hipsters ought to be afraid of the alpha, my example isnt afraid

 

[INTP]

I'd say if there is a guy who can laugh at an alpha male like that and get away with it, or if his authority isn't natural and looks ridiculous to others, the alpha male isn't really in control.

But alpha = #1 and is in control because of domination. Doesent that kinda make the alpha status disappear if the domination disappears?

 

[hacbad macbar]

So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

So which is the real alpha male?

I think that Alpha Male is ideological, societal construct. I think, theres only a men who doesnt have much need to prove something, and those who try to prove something. Id like to replace alpha male concept with those of more mature, and less mature men.

 

[INTP]

I think that Alpha Male is ideological, societal construct. Theres only a men who doesnt have much need to prove something, and those who try to prove something. Id like to replace alpha male concept with those of more mature, and less mature men.

If you are #1 in the eyes of others, you need to prove that to them over and over again. Then those who cant prove what the alpha male is able to prove are below the alpha.

 

[hacbad macbar]

If you are #1 in the eyes of others, you need to prove that to them over and over again. Then those who cant prove what the alpha male is able to prove are below the alpha.

I don't like to prove anything to anyone. It's a total waste of energy. Theres so much important things.

 

[Rasofy]

Being able to look down & laugh at anyone is meaningless per se. Any lunatic can pull that.

Assuming the other guy let that affect him, then he is being less alpha than the other guy in that situation.

Alpha is a relative qualifier.

 

[Ghoul]

The laughing guy is so jelly he is peanut butter. Guessing.

 

[TheCheeseBurgerKing]

There's a difference between an Alpha enjoying his alphahood, and an alpha being an asshole.
Luckily for social animals like us, the alpha is chosen by the peers.

 

[swordpath]

So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

So which is the real alpha male?

The alpha is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Kullervo]

So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

So which is the real alpha male?

An alpha male is defined by his success with women, nothing else.

An 80 year old sugar daddy and a nerd who has somehow perfected the art of picking up women are both alpha males. All CEOs, high-ranking politicians etc are alpha males by default, provided they can get it up.

You could be the most physically imposing man in the world, but if you are impotent, you are not an alpha male. Period.