Apeironstella
New member
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2022
- Messages
- 20
- Enneagram
- 5w4
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/sp
Search history brings up first game's cast on anime types thread (as it did have an anime adaptation, fair) but since I doubt they could ever adapt V3 into an anime, here goes the thread. Fair warning- possible major spoilers for entire game ahead.
I admitedly haven't thought about some of the characters as much as others, so I'll have to come back for them but as far as what I have on mind for some typings and how I think their types interact with each other-
Kaede seems to best fit with an ESE- her Fe base really shines when it comes to how she could rally the group together for the most part with conviction in her feelings, her demonstrative Se shows up in places like how she and Shuichi managed to convince Miu to modify the cameras for them (as it was a rather unconventional way of pressuring someone, Se channeled through Fe+Si), and her PoLR pokes its head with how she is quick to take action and state things at times without thinking about future consequences of her actions at times.
She also shows Ti suggestive behaviour when the group fell apart and she was blaming herself for things falling apart when she got a tunnel view (ha) at the Despair Tunnel+fallout following that, with she herself saying she wouldn't know what to do if Shuichi haven't approached to her with his findings, and while she is not best at making logical arguments that are able to convince others, she does value it when others can and is quick to say that does make sense to her.
I think 2w3 so/sx would be best fit for her, as she does mention in the Salmon Mode FTEs with Shuichi that she wants to know everything about their friend group, and tends to have 8 like anger peeking through when her attempts to help at others are rejected, even when she can be at times too overbearing and cross boundaries others don't enjoy having crossed as she tends to have no sense of personal space in that sense. Most likely 269 or 279, I can see argument for either as she's quick to try to build alliances and also likes to seek others' approval when she puts an idea out, but she also clearly has a tendency to gloss over harsher side of things and encourages 7 like behaviour/can be too quick to jump into risks and likes to talk about future fun things to try to lighten up the mood and try to not let herself and others get too gloomy and potentially give up escape. Most likely 279 after all.
Which is where the ball passes to Shuichi, who as far as I can tell is an LII 5w6 592 sp/so- His strongest suit is his ability to piece things together in a logical narrative, and yet he also tends to be slightly removed from reality, with how he even pieces together the cases being by eliminating all the possibilities rather than looking at concrete details that narrows options down from start (Ie. what Maki criticizes him for in trial 2, and in general as a Te valuer herself) and tends to have regular flips of thought from different sides, which fits with Gulenko's Holographic-Panoramic Thinking Style. He is quick to respond well to any positive expression of Fe by lightening up fairly quickly, beyond when fear of the situation is too high for it anyway, and despite him being initially wary and keeping distance, Kaede was able to get him open up really quick about his insecurities just by giving a sympathetic ear after the initial trust was established.
For the tritype, he tends to enjoy calmer atmosphere and is more likely to go passive aggressive than actually show his anger openly, and he finds a place in society by helping others with his talent, even if given his tritype and sp 5 lead he is not quick to jump into trying to help others actively like Kaede, but he also will go absurd lengths to help someone if he can if they ever ask for his assistance, especially in a field he's supposedly good at (Ie. the pet crocodile story he tells Kaede during his chapter 1 FTE)
Kaito is an interesting case, in the sense that he's clearly a SEE with how quick he can be to rise to baits and charge without thinking even worse than Kaede, and his strongest suit is assessing closeness to others and in ethical/emotional realm while his PoLR Ti really shows as also in comparison to Kaede actually actively participating in class debates, while Kaito rarely if ever does and more tends to do the emotional weight lifting of the group after Kaede passes away, with especially tending to avoid having to ever use Ti to make a reasonable argument for why he thinks they should do something- in fact, Shuichi and Kaito being conflict types is very visible when they first meet, with both openly criticizing each other for how they work/how both see each other as all talk but no bite.
Which bleeds into how his initial attempt to cheer him up after Kaede's death is very Se-Fi, initially blowing up at him for Shuichi's tendency to implode when it comes to negative feelings than showing the Se he thinks was warranted towards Monokuma, yet also when his head calms down, he encourages him to seek what reminds him of Kaede to try to find some peace- aka to engage his Fi on the matter, reminiscing a personal bond (Fi+Ni valuing), and after that he tends to tone down how he directs Se at him by approaching him more from a Fe+Si metabolized through Se+Fi ego way (Ie. getting him go out of his head by getting him physically move his body, workout so that he doesn't have the energy to go down mental rabbitholes that wouldn't be good for him, as he is prone to when left to his own devices), and also how Shuichi becomes much more receptive after he understands that's where he's coming from when he starts said emotional weighlifting for the group too.
His main type is like 7w8 sx/so, as he would describe himself "a man who chases after his passions", with an eye for where in social ladder he is/what is good for the group, but that can end up sidelined for who he feels intensely connected to/what he is passionate about (sx) at times. He also has little to no self preservation instinct (which gets two sp-firsts, Maki and Shuichi, ending up chiding him to try to reign him in from going too far for his own safety sometimes). 783 or 782 both possible, as he tends to both gain love by helping others out and by trying to project an image of success, though I'd argue it's a bit more the latter, if only because he tends to be very open about how much he's willing to cheat at times to get ahead (Ie. his first meeting with Kaede being him literally admitting to fraud), but I can still see 783 for him given how driven he can be for his passions and how much he tends to hide his more fragile feelings behind an image of "manliness", as well as being in a denial about things like his health condition being things that can come between him and his goals until it becomes undeniable even for him.
Maki is a bit trickier to pin down initially, which is more because when you look at what she actually values, she very much fits as a SLI, it is shown time and again how in an ideal world, she would have just wanted to be the dad friend who ended up having a happy future with her old bestfriend from the orphanage where they find a stable job and have a happy life, with a soft spot for children and very much being weak to displays of closeness towards her, wanting to maintain said bonds if she can. She also is very adept at picking where Shuichi is coming from when it comes to his reasoning during investigation and trials- except she sees things he points out as obvious (Ti devalued as demonstrative) and she's not very impressed with Shuichi in general initially, as she sees him too naive. She also shows a liking for Ne at more relaxed situations, ie. her reminiscing about reading manga with other kids when she was younger, clearly missing that more spontaneous life style, as well as for Salmon Mode ending, her essentially conveying that she'd like the world to be more like how Shuichi (and Kaede too, really, given she equally saw her as naive given Alpha quadra values they share) seems to think/hope it is like.
Sp/sx 6w5 probably makes most sense for her, given how she tends to keep to herself, unless someone manages to make it through her lack of sociability to engage her sx, at which point said bond becomes only thing she would ever endanger her own self preservation for, and she tends to worry about a lot of things given she works as an assassin, without ever being able to trust others as she states anytime her cover was blown someone would try to kill her, yet she also doesn't trust herself and her own judgement either, while following orders she hates from a sense of loyalty to what one person she cared most about valued while she was still alive. One of the 61x tritypes, most likely 613 given how she can separate her feelings from her actions, and how she tends to not show her anger openly as a demonstration or play a peacemaker who disconnects from it, but turns it inwards until someone crosses one of her borders, at which point she will retaliate, sometimes rather painfully.
Kokichi is hard to pin down as well, mainly because he's a half written character in terms of how much we learn about him and his motivations in key points of the story (Ie. we never conclusively learn what was up with him in chapter 4 exactly, whether if he ever intented to go along with Killing Game Busters idea or not, what he exactly told Gonta and how, with what level of genuinely conveying what he thought to him etc) but my read on him at this point is ILE 7w6 783 so/sp-
He very much values Ne (his talk about endless possibilities of "lies", in a game where lies tend to be used interchangibly with stories/narratives/fiction) and his Fi is horrendous (to the point where 2D Role Fi user Shuichi essentially gives him a verbal smackdown on how he has no one on his corner that he made any bonds with vs Kaito, with also it being a common theme for Kokichi to annoy others by being inappropiate, which hits hard on as it is on his Point of Least Resistance), with his Ti creative also allowing him being able to make convincing logical argument in sense of how something might have happened (as Kiyo mentions in trial 1 that even he was taken along by his reasoning since he was talking with such convinction, while he was going off of conjecture at the time with little to no concrete clues he investigated at the time) and his Te demonstrative shows up in what plans he tried to pull (with his role Se allowing him to be able to flare up/show more pressure than Shuichi, though he is running away if ever faced with a stronger Se user, which is usually Kaito who tended to chase after him after his inciting comments) with also coming up with designs for Miu to make, and his Fe HA tends to show up in how he gets cranky whenever someone doesn't jump in to lighten the mood when he tries to bait someone with higher Fe into playing along with him/to take the charge of the emotional atmosphere.
He is, similar to Kaito, someone who tends to try to ignore his worries by overplanning and taking at times impulsive actions, and goes into 1 overly critical mode like him as well when he's really stressed, with his 6 wing tending to show up in him trying to seek alliances (as he worked with and offered to work with multiple people throughout the game, though also while keeping them at arm's length- with Gonta and Miu being main examples, but it also tends to show up in cases like where he thought everyone agreed flashback lights were shady when they first showed up in chapter 2, since everyone literally expressed said opinions just then, but when Kaito manages to convince them to use it, he is also as quick to change his tune and say they might as well try the obviously suspicious and dangerous thing that can do who knows what to their brains, why not right?!
His so/sp is also interesting in terms of how it foils with Kirumi, who also is so/sp, as it shows up more as how is even worse at Shuichi at showing more a sx side in the sense of actually showing his passions/taking the risk of vulnerability emotionally, and unlike Shuichi, he tends to make many risky moves that jeopardizes his own safety as his way of trying to ensure group safety at times (with even in other game modes like TDP and DR:S, him poking at dangerous people in the cast, often with citing he's doing it for everyone's safety). He also is just a posterchild for soc-first who is in denial about how paralyzing social expectations they can sense can feel, so trying to act edgier at times and making fun of social conventions etc where he can to try to assert himself as cool, or at least as someone who definitely does not care about if others like him or not, yet he'll keep including himself in things even when he's not invited.
783 also links to so/spness, as someone who can be a danger to the group seems to ruffle his 8, not that in general he comes off as a threat to most people given his Se role is very much a role function at the end of the day, though I can see argument for 793 given beyond that, he seems to enjoy chilling with people, even if he will take potshots at them to establish himself as the smartest guy/as the one on the top of the pecking ladder so to speak with people at times pointing more towards 8, and he's similarly able to push his feelings aside for his goals at times like Kaito, which points at 3 for his heart-fix, with both having a theme of playing roles, especially as super-ego types who are both amazed at what other can manage at times and feel like they get how the other works, while also repeatedly being surprised at what other does and why they would even do that, with Kokichi's sp also showing up in how he was willing to play along with Monokuma even when he was testing waters on what move he was allowed to pull without instantly being killed while trying to find some way to end the game, and criticizing Kaito on his recklessness as a sp-blind, while Kaito and others can hit hard on his sx-blindness back.
I'll have to think more about others, but I think Kirumi is clearly a so/sp (which makes her DRS event with Kokichi where he frames being pushed into a social status because you're seen as capable regardless of whether you want it or not as something that happens to other ultimates, and Kirumi in particular, which if he's so/sp as well, sounds like a possible veiled way to talk about isolation said stacking can lead one to feel, despite being a social first, as well as an inability to disconnect from social expectations that both of them reacts towards in opposite ways, despite both of them confirming their place in the group by attending to sp needs in their own way (Kirumi with more concrete taking care of others' needs with wanting perfection in her work, while Kokichi tends to do so by poking bears that he wants to know how dangerous they can be first hand to make sure they have a way to counter it if necessary, or at least to be aware of who to look out for both for his own and group's safety, even if his way of confirming involves putting himself in varying levels of calculated risk.)
I also think she's LSI, as like with Shuichi, she tends to approach things from a Ti base perspective of extensively categorizing things to figure out how things work and interact, and while her more maid related services would be seen as providing Si, comfort and physical needs, she seems to be doing it in the demonstrative way, as it is part of how she seeks status in social power hierarchy than just providing comfort to herself and ones she interacts with, which adds to the irony with Maki and her as she is a Se ego who's main work would be associated with Si on the surface, while Si ego one is the one doing much more reflex and rawness focused assassination job.
She is either a 1w2 or 2w1, with both being in her tritype either way, with like 125 archetype with either 1 or 2 in lead, as she is extensive with her research in things as a part of her "selfless devotion" to others' needs, though given her issues more seems to be on 7-1-4 lines (trouble letting herself relax, and her love hotel showing that her core fear being not being worthy enough love as in terms of just not being enough, rather than more 8 like sudden anger Kaede can get as a core 2) I'd say 125 with 1w2 as a wing probably is the likeliest for her. (Though I could see argument for since she already has 2 as a wing, in the case of 1w2, 135 could fit well for her given how driven she is with her job and status too, but I find 125 descriptions a bit closer to her than 135, though I can see either making sense, same with her 2 fix possibly being 2w3, though I tend to not assign fixes wings much at this point)
There is also Miu, who I have typed as an ILE, just a very at times neurotic 6w5 sx/sp one, as her Se is too weak to be anything but Role function at best, and her Ti and Te are too high for me to type her as an EIE or SEE, especially with how her PoLR Fe seems to trump even Kokichi's at being bad at human relations. She has a need to be useful to others (2), as it goes along with her inventions for her heart-fix, and I suppose 8 for her gut type would be the first thought, though I could also see her as a very neurotic 629, given how quick she is to back down whenever someone gets angry at her than being able to maintain her facade, and she seems to value harmony with others even if her soc-blindness+PoLR Fi+6ness+her backstory of being in a coma for years with likely not getting to have much of a social interaction with others before, beyond possibly maybe internet given how much her sense of humor and what she thinks is appropiate behavior seems to fit with more 4chan/2chan type of forums, she tends to cross lines that makes people uncomfortable often without intending to do so and disturbing the peace while trying to joke around (which is what baffles Kaede during their FTEs too).
Rantaro is harder to pin down as well, at least going off of his main game behavior, but I think SEI might be best fit, especially with his love hotel being very Si heavy (despite also clearly not being meant as a romantic/sexual one as his deepest desire was being able to open up about what happened with his family to someone he's a mentor figure for, similar to how he was with his younger siblings+pointing at him being a caregiver going by socionics romance styles) and he does seem to enjoy thought experiments while talking to Shuichi, with being good at smoothing things down (as we see when they first meet Monokuma in the main game/salmon mode, he is quick to step in to put things into perspective and ask what they want them to do given they clearly hold power over their lives and must have kidnapped them for something.). He also clearly cares about aesthetic, be it his fashion sense/piercings, or even him knowing how to do french slant for nails, clearly well versed in at makeup, or at least on nail side of things (Si) especially with the context for it being that he would do those things for his sisters (again, Fe+Fi valuing+caregiver, though in this case not meant in a sexual way)
My tentative instinctual stacking for him would be sp/so, only if because he seems to be a good team player in TDP (for example, during the sports event with Twogami) though he also tends to lone wolf from backstory reasons of repeated failures to protect ones under his wing in his eyes, but he very much enjoys company and tends to never miss any class event despite his travels in TDP (as his event with Kaede mentions that) and he clearly doesn't give the vibe of someone who's higher sx given he is not at all quick to open up about personal things, added to in his case a lack of interest in anyone romantically/sexually, though that does not mean sx-blind as it's established how Shuichi does have his own closet pervert tendencies very early on.
Those are the main ones that I was thinking about, but I'll probably jump in back with others' types later, and I'm curious what you all think of these typings and others' types too!
I admitedly haven't thought about some of the characters as much as others, so I'll have to come back for them but as far as what I have on mind for some typings and how I think their types interact with each other-
Kaede seems to best fit with an ESE- her Fe base really shines when it comes to how she could rally the group together for the most part with conviction in her feelings, her demonstrative Se shows up in places like how she and Shuichi managed to convince Miu to modify the cameras for them (as it was a rather unconventional way of pressuring someone, Se channeled through Fe+Si), and her PoLR pokes its head with how she is quick to take action and state things at times without thinking about future consequences of her actions at times.
She also shows Ti suggestive behaviour when the group fell apart and she was blaming herself for things falling apart when she got a tunnel view (ha) at the Despair Tunnel+fallout following that, with she herself saying she wouldn't know what to do if Shuichi haven't approached to her with his findings, and while she is not best at making logical arguments that are able to convince others, she does value it when others can and is quick to say that does make sense to her.
I think 2w3 so/sx would be best fit for her, as she does mention in the Salmon Mode FTEs with Shuichi that she wants to know everything about their friend group, and tends to have 8 like anger peeking through when her attempts to help at others are rejected, even when she can be at times too overbearing and cross boundaries others don't enjoy having crossed as she tends to have no sense of personal space in that sense. Most likely 269 or 279, I can see argument for either as she's quick to try to build alliances and also likes to seek others' approval when she puts an idea out, but she also clearly has a tendency to gloss over harsher side of things and encourages 7 like behaviour/can be too quick to jump into risks and likes to talk about future fun things to try to lighten up the mood and try to not let herself and others get too gloomy and potentially give up escape. Most likely 279 after all.
Which is where the ball passes to Shuichi, who as far as I can tell is an LII 5w6 592 sp/so- His strongest suit is his ability to piece things together in a logical narrative, and yet he also tends to be slightly removed from reality, with how he even pieces together the cases being by eliminating all the possibilities rather than looking at concrete details that narrows options down from start (Ie. what Maki criticizes him for in trial 2, and in general as a Te valuer herself) and tends to have regular flips of thought from different sides, which fits with Gulenko's Holographic-Panoramic Thinking Style. He is quick to respond well to any positive expression of Fe by lightening up fairly quickly, beyond when fear of the situation is too high for it anyway, and despite him being initially wary and keeping distance, Kaede was able to get him open up really quick about his insecurities just by giving a sympathetic ear after the initial trust was established.
For the tritype, he tends to enjoy calmer atmosphere and is more likely to go passive aggressive than actually show his anger openly, and he finds a place in society by helping others with his talent, even if given his tritype and sp 5 lead he is not quick to jump into trying to help others actively like Kaede, but he also will go absurd lengths to help someone if he can if they ever ask for his assistance, especially in a field he's supposedly good at (Ie. the pet crocodile story he tells Kaede during his chapter 1 FTE)
Kaito is an interesting case, in the sense that he's clearly a SEE with how quick he can be to rise to baits and charge without thinking even worse than Kaede, and his strongest suit is assessing closeness to others and in ethical/emotional realm while his PoLR Ti really shows as also in comparison to Kaede actually actively participating in class debates, while Kaito rarely if ever does and more tends to do the emotional weight lifting of the group after Kaede passes away, with especially tending to avoid having to ever use Ti to make a reasonable argument for why he thinks they should do something- in fact, Shuichi and Kaito being conflict types is very visible when they first meet, with both openly criticizing each other for how they work/how both see each other as all talk but no bite.
Which bleeds into how his initial attempt to cheer him up after Kaede's death is very Se-Fi, initially blowing up at him for Shuichi's tendency to implode when it comes to negative feelings than showing the Se he thinks was warranted towards Monokuma, yet also when his head calms down, he encourages him to seek what reminds him of Kaede to try to find some peace- aka to engage his Fi on the matter, reminiscing a personal bond (Fi+Ni valuing), and after that he tends to tone down how he directs Se at him by approaching him more from a Fe+Si metabolized through Se+Fi ego way (Ie. getting him go out of his head by getting him physically move his body, workout so that he doesn't have the energy to go down mental rabbitholes that wouldn't be good for him, as he is prone to when left to his own devices), and also how Shuichi becomes much more receptive after he understands that's where he's coming from when he starts said emotional weighlifting for the group too.
His main type is like 7w8 sx/so, as he would describe himself "a man who chases after his passions", with an eye for where in social ladder he is/what is good for the group, but that can end up sidelined for who he feels intensely connected to/what he is passionate about (sx) at times. He also has little to no self preservation instinct (which gets two sp-firsts, Maki and Shuichi, ending up chiding him to try to reign him in from going too far for his own safety sometimes). 783 or 782 both possible, as he tends to both gain love by helping others out and by trying to project an image of success, though I'd argue it's a bit more the latter, if only because he tends to be very open about how much he's willing to cheat at times to get ahead (Ie. his first meeting with Kaede being him literally admitting to fraud), but I can still see 783 for him given how driven he can be for his passions and how much he tends to hide his more fragile feelings behind an image of "manliness", as well as being in a denial about things like his health condition being things that can come between him and his goals until it becomes undeniable even for him.
Maki is a bit trickier to pin down initially, which is more because when you look at what she actually values, she very much fits as a SLI, it is shown time and again how in an ideal world, she would have just wanted to be the dad friend who ended up having a happy future with her old bestfriend from the orphanage where they find a stable job and have a happy life, with a soft spot for children and very much being weak to displays of closeness towards her, wanting to maintain said bonds if she can. She also is very adept at picking where Shuichi is coming from when it comes to his reasoning during investigation and trials- except she sees things he points out as obvious (Ti devalued as demonstrative) and she's not very impressed with Shuichi in general initially, as she sees him too naive. She also shows a liking for Ne at more relaxed situations, ie. her reminiscing about reading manga with other kids when she was younger, clearly missing that more spontaneous life style, as well as for Salmon Mode ending, her essentially conveying that she'd like the world to be more like how Shuichi (and Kaede too, really, given she equally saw her as naive given Alpha quadra values they share) seems to think/hope it is like.
Sp/sx 6w5 probably makes most sense for her, given how she tends to keep to herself, unless someone manages to make it through her lack of sociability to engage her sx, at which point said bond becomes only thing she would ever endanger her own self preservation for, and she tends to worry about a lot of things given she works as an assassin, without ever being able to trust others as she states anytime her cover was blown someone would try to kill her, yet she also doesn't trust herself and her own judgement either, while following orders she hates from a sense of loyalty to what one person she cared most about valued while she was still alive. One of the 61x tritypes, most likely 613 given how she can separate her feelings from her actions, and how she tends to not show her anger openly as a demonstration or play a peacemaker who disconnects from it, but turns it inwards until someone crosses one of her borders, at which point she will retaliate, sometimes rather painfully.
Kokichi is hard to pin down as well, mainly because he's a half written character in terms of how much we learn about him and his motivations in key points of the story (Ie. we never conclusively learn what was up with him in chapter 4 exactly, whether if he ever intented to go along with Killing Game Busters idea or not, what he exactly told Gonta and how, with what level of genuinely conveying what he thought to him etc) but my read on him at this point is ILE 7w6 783 so/sp-
He very much values Ne (his talk about endless possibilities of "lies", in a game where lies tend to be used interchangibly with stories/narratives/fiction) and his Fi is horrendous (to the point where 2D Role Fi user Shuichi essentially gives him a verbal smackdown on how he has no one on his corner that he made any bonds with vs Kaito, with also it being a common theme for Kokichi to annoy others by being inappropiate, which hits hard on as it is on his Point of Least Resistance), with his Ti creative also allowing him being able to make convincing logical argument in sense of how something might have happened (as Kiyo mentions in trial 1 that even he was taken along by his reasoning since he was talking with such convinction, while he was going off of conjecture at the time with little to no concrete clues he investigated at the time) and his Te demonstrative shows up in what plans he tried to pull (with his role Se allowing him to be able to flare up/show more pressure than Shuichi, though he is running away if ever faced with a stronger Se user, which is usually Kaito who tended to chase after him after his inciting comments) with also coming up with designs for Miu to make, and his Fe HA tends to show up in how he gets cranky whenever someone doesn't jump in to lighten the mood when he tries to bait someone with higher Fe into playing along with him/to take the charge of the emotional atmosphere.
He is, similar to Kaito, someone who tends to try to ignore his worries by overplanning and taking at times impulsive actions, and goes into 1 overly critical mode like him as well when he's really stressed, with his 6 wing tending to show up in him trying to seek alliances (as he worked with and offered to work with multiple people throughout the game, though also while keeping them at arm's length- with Gonta and Miu being main examples, but it also tends to show up in cases like where he thought everyone agreed flashback lights were shady when they first showed up in chapter 2, since everyone literally expressed said opinions just then, but when Kaito manages to convince them to use it, he is also as quick to change his tune and say they might as well try the obviously suspicious and dangerous thing that can do who knows what to their brains, why not right?!
His so/sp is also interesting in terms of how it foils with Kirumi, who also is so/sp, as it shows up more as how is even worse at Shuichi at showing more a sx side in the sense of actually showing his passions/taking the risk of vulnerability emotionally, and unlike Shuichi, he tends to make many risky moves that jeopardizes his own safety as his way of trying to ensure group safety at times (with even in other game modes like TDP and DR:S, him poking at dangerous people in the cast, often with citing he's doing it for everyone's safety). He also is just a posterchild for soc-first who is in denial about how paralyzing social expectations they can sense can feel, so trying to act edgier at times and making fun of social conventions etc where he can to try to assert himself as cool, or at least as someone who definitely does not care about if others like him or not, yet he'll keep including himself in things even when he's not invited.
783 also links to so/spness, as someone who can be a danger to the group seems to ruffle his 8, not that in general he comes off as a threat to most people given his Se role is very much a role function at the end of the day, though I can see argument for 793 given beyond that, he seems to enjoy chilling with people, even if he will take potshots at them to establish himself as the smartest guy/as the one on the top of the pecking ladder so to speak with people at times pointing more towards 8, and he's similarly able to push his feelings aside for his goals at times like Kaito, which points at 3 for his heart-fix, with both having a theme of playing roles, especially as super-ego types who are both amazed at what other can manage at times and feel like they get how the other works, while also repeatedly being surprised at what other does and why they would even do that, with Kokichi's sp also showing up in how he was willing to play along with Monokuma even when he was testing waters on what move he was allowed to pull without instantly being killed while trying to find some way to end the game, and criticizing Kaito on his recklessness as a sp-blind, while Kaito and others can hit hard on his sx-blindness back.
I'll have to think more about others, but I think Kirumi is clearly a so/sp (which makes her DRS event with Kokichi where he frames being pushed into a social status because you're seen as capable regardless of whether you want it or not as something that happens to other ultimates, and Kirumi in particular, which if he's so/sp as well, sounds like a possible veiled way to talk about isolation said stacking can lead one to feel, despite being a social first, as well as an inability to disconnect from social expectations that both of them reacts towards in opposite ways, despite both of them confirming their place in the group by attending to sp needs in their own way (Kirumi with more concrete taking care of others' needs with wanting perfection in her work, while Kokichi tends to do so by poking bears that he wants to know how dangerous they can be first hand to make sure they have a way to counter it if necessary, or at least to be aware of who to look out for both for his own and group's safety, even if his way of confirming involves putting himself in varying levels of calculated risk.)
I also think she's LSI, as like with Shuichi, she tends to approach things from a Ti base perspective of extensively categorizing things to figure out how things work and interact, and while her more maid related services would be seen as providing Si, comfort and physical needs, she seems to be doing it in the demonstrative way, as it is part of how she seeks status in social power hierarchy than just providing comfort to herself and ones she interacts with, which adds to the irony with Maki and her as she is a Se ego who's main work would be associated with Si on the surface, while Si ego one is the one doing much more reflex and rawness focused assassination job.
She is either a 1w2 or 2w1, with both being in her tritype either way, with like 125 archetype with either 1 or 2 in lead, as she is extensive with her research in things as a part of her "selfless devotion" to others' needs, though given her issues more seems to be on 7-1-4 lines (trouble letting herself relax, and her love hotel showing that her core fear being not being worthy enough love as in terms of just not being enough, rather than more 8 like sudden anger Kaede can get as a core 2) I'd say 125 with 1w2 as a wing probably is the likeliest for her. (Though I could see argument for since she already has 2 as a wing, in the case of 1w2, 135 could fit well for her given how driven she is with her job and status too, but I find 125 descriptions a bit closer to her than 135, though I can see either making sense, same with her 2 fix possibly being 2w3, though I tend to not assign fixes wings much at this point)
There is also Miu, who I have typed as an ILE, just a very at times neurotic 6w5 sx/sp one, as her Se is too weak to be anything but Role function at best, and her Ti and Te are too high for me to type her as an EIE or SEE, especially with how her PoLR Fe seems to trump even Kokichi's at being bad at human relations. She has a need to be useful to others (2), as it goes along with her inventions for her heart-fix, and I suppose 8 for her gut type would be the first thought, though I could also see her as a very neurotic 629, given how quick she is to back down whenever someone gets angry at her than being able to maintain her facade, and she seems to value harmony with others even if her soc-blindness+PoLR Fi+6ness+her backstory of being in a coma for years with likely not getting to have much of a social interaction with others before, beyond possibly maybe internet given how much her sense of humor and what she thinks is appropiate behavior seems to fit with more 4chan/2chan type of forums, she tends to cross lines that makes people uncomfortable often without intending to do so and disturbing the peace while trying to joke around (which is what baffles Kaede during their FTEs too).
Rantaro is harder to pin down as well, at least going off of his main game behavior, but I think SEI might be best fit, especially with his love hotel being very Si heavy (despite also clearly not being meant as a romantic/sexual one as his deepest desire was being able to open up about what happened with his family to someone he's a mentor figure for, similar to how he was with his younger siblings+pointing at him being a caregiver going by socionics romance styles) and he does seem to enjoy thought experiments while talking to Shuichi, with being good at smoothing things down (as we see when they first meet Monokuma in the main game/salmon mode, he is quick to step in to put things into perspective and ask what they want them to do given they clearly hold power over their lives and must have kidnapped them for something.). He also clearly cares about aesthetic, be it his fashion sense/piercings, or even him knowing how to do french slant for nails, clearly well versed in at makeup, or at least on nail side of things (Si) especially with the context for it being that he would do those things for his sisters (again, Fe+Fi valuing+caregiver, though in this case not meant in a sexual way)
My tentative instinctual stacking for him would be sp/so, only if because he seems to be a good team player in TDP (for example, during the sports event with Twogami) though he also tends to lone wolf from backstory reasons of repeated failures to protect ones under his wing in his eyes, but he very much enjoys company and tends to never miss any class event despite his travels in TDP (as his event with Kaede mentions that) and he clearly doesn't give the vibe of someone who's higher sx given he is not at all quick to open up about personal things, added to in his case a lack of interest in anyone romantically/sexually, though that does not mean sx-blind as it's established how Shuichi does have his own closet pervert tendencies very early on.
Those are the main ones that I was thinking about, but I'll probably jump in back with others' types later, and I'm curious what you all think of these typings and others' types too!
Last edited:
ISTP
