morganelise48
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I've heard it being mentioned several times that we are terrible at debating, and shouldn't even touch it. I agree.
When talking about an idea, one of two things happen,
1: I start talking, the person agree's with me and adds some things. 30 minutes later, I've made 100 new awesome points that I never even thought about before. Pointless in the moment, but good for future reference.. right?
2: I start talking, and the other person apposes my view. I know they're "wrong," and I know I have at least 17 ways to debunk what they just said, but all of the sudden I can't think of anything. As a few moments go by, I remember part of an idea. I start saying it, and then all of the sudden it turns into gibberish. I lost it again. But oh no, now I remember, and start yelling my words... and now I can't remember the other half of the details, along with the point I'm trying to make, and it turns into more gibberish. Now I seem even more stupid than this idiot (lol.) So I just role my eyes, shake my head, and accept my unnecessary defeat.
I would assume that there is a simple reason for this. Ni usually needs isolation and reflection, but then Fe sort of takes control. The more you realize you can't think of anything, the more your Fe is activated. Now you can't tap into Ni or Te at all.
So my question is this. If my reasoning seems fairly correct (though explained as simple as possible), how can you make this NOT happen? Haha. If you think I'm completely left field on the reasoning, then why does this happen? What's the solution? Also, if I'm right, it seems quite obvious that my Fe is still in high mode when the person agrees with my. I'm still shouting and flailing. Is it because I'm focused on the other person now having the upper hand, and that my Fe is now making me look like a lunatic? Then how do I stay objective to the conversation?
Thanks!
When talking about an idea, one of two things happen,
1: I start talking, the person agree's with me and adds some things. 30 minutes later, I've made 100 new awesome points that I never even thought about before. Pointless in the moment, but good for future reference.. right?
2: I start talking, and the other person apposes my view. I know they're "wrong," and I know I have at least 17 ways to debunk what they just said, but all of the sudden I can't think of anything. As a few moments go by, I remember part of an idea. I start saying it, and then all of the sudden it turns into gibberish. I lost it again. But oh no, now I remember, and start yelling my words... and now I can't remember the other half of the details, along with the point I'm trying to make, and it turns into more gibberish. Now I seem even more stupid than this idiot (lol.) So I just role my eyes, shake my head, and accept my unnecessary defeat.
I would assume that there is a simple reason for this. Ni usually needs isolation and reflection, but then Fe sort of takes control. The more you realize you can't think of anything, the more your Fe is activated. Now you can't tap into Ni or Te at all.
So my question is this. If my reasoning seems fairly correct (though explained as simple as possible), how can you make this NOT happen? Haha. If you think I'm completely left field on the reasoning, then why does this happen? What's the solution? Also, if I'm right, it seems quite obvious that my Fe is still in high mode when the person agrees with my. I'm still shouting and flailing. Is it because I'm focused on the other person now having the upper hand, and that my Fe is now making me look like a lunatic? Then how do I stay objective to the conversation?
Thanks!