[Traditional Enneagram] Enneagram

[Norexan]

remember, [MENTION=10714]Qlip[/MENTION] and I were E1s as children because we were in an E1 organization.

That's not how Enneagram works. It is dynamic type system but only in strict defined lines.
For example E8 under stress become 5 and when advance it becomes 2 (helping, giving...) but it is still 8.
And mistyping is often as well, for example 8sp looks like 1sx. 3 can think that they are 8. 4 that they are 5.

If I can summarize my fear in one sentence that would be: To be controlled, manipulated, abused, to be evil, infected and unsuccessful (in that way) Very much 8 1 3

 

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That's not how Enneagram works. It is dynamic type system but only in strict defined lines.
For example E8 under stress become 5 and when advance it becomes 2 (helping, giving...) but it is still 8.
And mistyping is often as well, for example 8sp looks like 1sx. 3 can think that they are 8. 4 that they are 5.

If I can summarize my fear in one sentence that would be: To be controlled, manipulated, abused, to be evil, infected and unsuccessful (in that way) Very much 8 1 3

Then I’m still a 1 but advanced to 7...I’m a nihilist now.

 

[Forever]

now I’m drunk!

*twerks with dat inf Se*

 

[Norexan]

Then I'm still a 1 but advanced to 7...I'm a nihilist now.

You are Innovative now. More consider on world.

 

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You are Innovative now. More consider on world.

yep.

Granted, the organization more or less deposited me in 2013 after growing up with Victorian Era values, so its been a bit of a culture shock to me these last 5 years and I still find it hard to relate to “modern” people. Of course, I wasn’t completely sheltered from modern TECHNOLOGY. We had a car and a television and air conditioning...

Its trying to interact with people and form relationships I struggle with...which is supposed to be the one thing “ENFP” is REALLY good at. There is also all this change. While I wouldn’t go back into the organization if you paid me, but I do miss the slowness of change. Technology reached us slower, culture rarely changed (except slight revisions to the rules by the “Governing Body”), and I knew how to navigate that culture.

5 years have passed and I’m still something of a fish out of water.

 

[Norexan]

yep. Granted, the organization more or less deposited me in 2013 after growing up with Victorian Era values, so its been a bit of a culture shock to me these last 5 years and I still find it hard to relate to "modern" people. Of course, I wasn't completely sheltered from modern TECHNOLOGY. We had a car and a television and air conditioning... Its trying to interact with people and form relationships I struggle with...which is supposed to be the one thing "ENFP" is REALLY good at. There is also all this change. While I wouldn't go back into the organization if you paid me, but I do miss the slowness of change. Technology reached us slower, culture rarely changed (except slight revisions to the rules by the "Governing Body"), and I knew how to navigate that culture. 5 years have passed and I'm still something of a fish out of water.

But 1 is J. EP and order... EP is least like 1.
You are probably some ExxJ. They tend to appear to others as P but they are not.

 

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But 1 is J. EP and order... EP is least like 1.
You are probably some ExxJ. They tend to appear to others as P but they are not.

I also have horrendous ADHD...so I am used to relying on some outside help for order. Not having that after all this time, while a growing experience, has been stressful. Without help, I get off track REALLY easily. I value order, but struggle creating it myself.

 

[Norexan]

I also have horrendous ADHD...so I am used to relying on some outside help for order. Not having that after all this time, while a growing experience, has been stressful. Without help, I get off track REALLY easily. I value order, but struggle creating it myself.

EJ can ignore their Ni/Si (organization). I still cannot processed how ENFJ can be so much free spirited, yet they need order of things.

My fear to be controlled was always there, even when I was child , hunted by others or by some being. My imagination wasn't under control so I always end up in the morning under the bed. I was never able to sleep quickly because of this. I generated one story in my mind each night so I can sleep.