So, do yourself a favor and read the history of the region which goes back LONG before 1948. Better yet, stop framing the issues happening right now as if they have been happening for the last months and nothing before. Oh and maybe speak to some Palestinians, some Lebanese, some Syrians and stop throwing up the white victim card and stop being an apologist for the Western nations.
I know what was going on back then. But we can't just go back through history and rewrite it. I mean, if the Ottoman empire had never lost that territory to the British, Israel would never have been established there (at least not as a state). But the Brits were running the show, and at the time a two state solution was proposed. I suspect if the Arabs at the time had accepted it, we'd be in better shape today. Maybe. I mean if one looks at the Iran/Iraq war, Syria, Sudan, etc. it doesn't take much to conclude the locals are a fractious bunch prone to disagreement and sectarian violence. So who knows even if Palestinians had their own state they still would not be constantly at war with Israel? But maybe they could have learned to get along.
And surely you have some empathy for the Jewish people circa 1948. The holocaust was a bit rough on them. I think the concept of them having someplace to call their own is understandable and that's why the British (and the UN) proposed this solution when they did.
The Arabs didn't like it, and so they went to war over it. That happens when nations really can't agree. The Arabs lost, so they didn't get their way. That is also typical when one side loses a war.
Anyways, I think a one state solution is not feasible. Too much inter-ethnic hatred has been built up. The Jews would never feel safe once Palestinians gained majority control, which they would as the 'right to return' means millions of Palestinians (in Jordan and Lebanon) would head back immediately and install a government of their choosing. I think they would immediately persecute the Jews and we'd be back to an apartheid state just with the other side in control.
So the Jews won't accept a one state solution, Palestinians don't seem to want a two state solution (well I think some would take it at this point) so I proposed a different solution, at least for Gaza. I realize the Egyptians don't want the headache, but I'd pressure them to take it on. Surely there would be less animosity between Gazans and Egypt than Gazans and Israel going forward.
Declaring an immediate cease fire/truce (which the left seems to demand) will just lead to Hamas rebuilding, and the whole cycle will repeat some number of years down the road.
- With that post, I am completely confused by your politics on the issue.
- I found your basic approach to topic to be dehumanizing, which is never a good thing.
- I don't know why this is so difficult, but people believing something differently than you isn't a just cause for you (or someone else) to go about killing them. Perhaps this is an overly US-centric point I used to make, but it's alway amazed me how the chief takeaway many people got from 9/11 is that, yes, killing people for believing differently is bad, but not when we do it because our worldview is superior (perhaps even objectively superior).
I don't think I was being dehumanizing, but I do believe actions should have consequences. Gazans elected Hamas (probably out of desperation similar to Argentina today) because they thought their lot could not get any worse that it was under the Palestine Authority (PA). I think the PA is generally seen as corrupt and incompetent by Palestinians. They thought Hamas could not possibly be worse, but they were wrong. Hamas poked the bear and now all of Gaza is suffering as a result.
I don't see much call for Hamas to be ousted from Gaza by the Gazans. I think that is starting to change, but with Hamas being a group of vicious thugs, it's a dangerous business to speak out against them.
