[ENTP] Christian ENTPs?

[Perch420]

No, because it's a small nitpick and I'm not sure if it's even correct in the first place. It just happened to be in the example that I picked.

 

[Perch420]

I have wondered if free will has been taken away by society due to the dichotomy we created of good and evil.

Free will can't be taken away or given. It's not free will, then, it's just suspended un-free will. It doesn't make sense.

 

[entropie]

Free will can't be taken away or given. It's not free will, then, it's just suspended un-free will. It doesn't make sense.

There are sometimes huge valleys between whats ideally true and whats actually true

 

[Perch420]

What do you mean?

 

[entropie]

Means tho free will may exist, like an atom exist, it doesnt mean that people always know that, like people didnt always know atoms exist. What Reflect said basically means that a society could manipulate its people with their ideals so much that your only real free will left would be to decide if you either do the things like society wants or become an outlaw

 

[ReflecTcelfeR]

I would emphasize the fact that punishment is the means that, in my opinion, takes away free will.

 

[guesswho]

What is free will anyway?

 

[entropie]

It for sure always gets you in the principals office

 

[ReflecTcelfeR]

What is free will anyway?

I consider it to be the ability to make any decision without the fear of being punished.

It for sure always gets you in the principals office

Hahaha, I was never there on purpose.

 

[Totenkindly]

I would emphasize the fact that punishment is the means that, in my opinion, takes away free will.

Oh, great. Who the hell brought up a nebulous concept like "free will" in an NT discussion of spirituality?
Now we'll never get out of here!

I don't have any beliefs that I haven't thoroughly analyzed to make sure they're logically sound. Maybe I'm wrong about some of them, but that just means I haven't gotten enough empirical data to change my conclusion.

My bad. I'm sure you're perfectly rational, in every way (to quote Mary Poppins).

How the fuck is that less rational than thinking a deity sent himself in human form to be killed by himself in order to forgive his creations for committing sins he himself made up?

While I'm agnostic, I'm gonna say just this comment alone shows you already don't understand Christianity. Basic systematic theology for centuries has revolved around the idea that morality reflects /exudes from God's character, rather than being "selected" or "made up" by God.

(i.e., "good" isn't "good" because God decided it was, "good" stems from God's essential character.)

And if one looks at the supposed 'word of God' (abraham based religions) the rules and lessons aren't even consistent with each other.

Yes, they are. You don't want to challenge me here.

Beefeater.... really?!

I think that one's gonna come back to haunt you over and over.

 

[Samvega]

Me thinks people other than ENTPs are ah votin. I should have made it so you could see who was picking what as not a single "Christian" ENTP seems to want to speak up.

 

[entropie]

We need to find an entp who goes by the name Christian in real life is my opinion

 

[guesswho]

How about a mormon or amish ENTP.

 

[funkadelik]

We need to find an entp who goes by the name Christian in real life is my opinion

I think this thread scared them away. All the Christian-named ENTPs now think there's this big vendetta against them and are off licking their wounds.

 

[INTP]

i dont think any religious person could ever claim to be a T type because T is associated with being rational. but on the other hand being Ne dom can make you pretty irrational on some stuff

 

[funkadelik]

i dont think any religious person could ever claim to be a T type because T is associated with being rational. but on the other hand being Ne dom can make you pretty irrational on some stuff

Well aren't you presumptuous!

In what ways does being an Ne dom make someone more inclined to irrationality?

 

[entropie]

It is the definition of the functions N and S in mbti that those are the irrational ones. Yet mbti means that more in the direction of them being not really controllable like T or F.

I've said earlier in this thread as a Ne dom you could appear to be more irrational regarding spirituality cause you are intrested in unconventional ways aswell. I said I like for example goa music because, I like the various connection of sounds it presents. I didnt wanted to say tho that entps are prone to being illogical more prone to being unconventional

 

[guesswho]

Many great scientists believed in God, were they irrational?

 

[guesswho]

It is the definition of the functions N and S in mbti that those are the irrational ones. Yet mbti means that more in the direction of them being not really controllable like T or F.

I've said earlier in this thread as a Ne dom you could appear to be more irrational regarding spirituality cause you are intrested in unconventional ways aswell. I said I like for example goa music because, I like the various connection of sounds it presents. I didnt wanted to say tho that entps are prone to being illogical more prone to being unconventional

ENTPs do have a tendency to bash tradition and mass beliefs.

 

[Perch420]

I consider it to be the ability to make any decision without the fear of being punished.

That's not what it is at all. Free will is the ability to make decisions period. Determinism holds that people don't make decisions and are subject to the universe around them. Christianity says that God gave people free will at a certain point, so evil that happens in the world is a result of man and not God. I'm saying that it's impossible to give or take away free will, since then it's not free will.