Beorn
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What was he talking about with the whole 'you're going to need allies' thing regarding the Hollywood accusations though?
What don't you understand?
What was he talking about with the whole 'you're going to need allies' thing regarding the Hollywood accusations though?
I just remember him saying something about a backlash against the accusers and that they're going to need male allies and that maybe going after every guy who sexually harassed women in the past was not a good idea. Guess I kind of answered my own question.What don't you understand?
.I just remember him saying something about a backlash against the accusers and that they're going to need male allies and that maybe going after every guy who sexually harassed women in the past was not a good idea. Guess I kind of answered my own question.
I missed the nuance there. I was confused so I didn't really know how to characterize it, but I agree with that point. I didn't connect the South African isomorphism. For some reason I was mixing the 'brittle spirit' bit instead.. Your mischaracterization of what he says is exactly why we need space in society to be wrong. Because the fact of the matter is his perspective has value and if we just brush off what he says because it "sounds" mean and offensive we're going to miss the wisdom of a guy that has experienced a lot and reflected on that experience. What he says is far more nuanced than what you remember. He says that what Hollywood needs is truth and reconciliation like they had in South Africa. If you read between the lines he's saying that every guy in Hollywood is guilty on some level. At the same time all of these guys are also victims of the system. If you want to upend the system men have to be able to confess the shit they did and there has to be reconciliation. If you just keep up the attack with no possibility for reconciliation then eventually things will quiet down. And that's when the backlash will come. Remember this is a black guy who was in Hollywood and left. He understands backlash on multiple levels. He saw that Hollywood was shit and got out when he could. Cearly his viewpoint is worth considering.
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Your mischaracterization of what he says is exactly why we need space in society to be wrong.
Because the fact of the matter is his perspective has value and if we just brush off what he says because it "sounds" mean and offensive we're going to miss the wisdom of a guy that has experienced a lot and reflected on that experience.
What he says is far more nuanced than what you remember.
He says that what Hollywood needs is truth and reconciliation like they had in South Africa.
If you read between the lines he's saying that every guy in Hollywood is guilty on some level. At the same time all of these guys are also victims of the system. If you want to upend the system men have to be able to confess the shit they did and there has to be reconciliation. If you just keep up the attack with no possibility for reconciliation then eventually things will quiet down. And that's when the backlash will come.
Remember this is a black guy who was in Hollywood and left.
He understands backlash on multiple levels. He saw that Hollywood was shit and got out when he could.
Cearly his viewpoint is worth considering.
He's a misogynistic dudebro.
The stuff in the each of the shows I watched was interesting and good, I liked the comment he made about there being no "lasting peace" with these guys, ie perps, that they were scared now but when they come back, if the efforts against them werent sustained then what would come next would make what's happening at the moment look like childs play, I certainly agreed with that, I thought it was interesting what he said about South Africa, how that probably should have ended in a massacre for the whites but it didnt.
Also, what he said about going through Brooklyn with 25,000 terrified because he thought he "had something everyone wants" and comparing it to having "a pussy" and saying that was women's experience all the time, I think that was a good point, also made in a crass, crude fashion that probably would finally make it dawn upon people not likely to seriously "hear" just what the grievances of women actually are.
I remember a friend telling me about someone talking about how they'd have liked to put up an FHM poster objectifying women in a social space in a shared house in which there was on female, my friend, and three male residents, the guy in question decided it wasnt a good idea finally because they thought about what it would have been like to resident as the only male heterosexual in a household of four homosexual men, which was sort of a bit shit, replacing one prejudice with another maybe but I could see how the lousy analogies were working, sort of, to result in a bit of consideration for others.
Though the stuff he said about if this is what we know about there is probably something even worse people are not willing to admit to, I wondered about that because that shit it totally and utterly true, all of the recent revelations about hollywood and stuff would all appear to have panned out without anyone seriously shrinking away from public life in shame and anxiety and personal crisis, its all been very easy for people to admit and apologise for.
That book Pimp and the stories in it, I've never been sure if they are or arent all true, its got a lot of cruelty and depravity in it anyway, I was surprised to see it referenced in a comedy act, I read some of it a long time ago and remember thinking if there was anything worse than capitalism it was capitalism in the hood or poor man's capitalism, the totally babaric variety, what worries me is that that sort of capitalism is being popularised, is being made normative, but I also wondered if he was suggesting in his act that all the talk about an alternative, treating each other right, supporting people who stand up for others without any need to at all, who suffer for doing so, whether they are rich themselves or not is a ruse, I wondered if he was suggesting it was a ruse to exploit people a little longer still, that the whole campaigning against sex abuse in hollywood was a ruse too, get the ladies to behave well as performers one way or another.
A hell of a lot of this is all well trodden terrain in some political quarters, the most sobering, disillusioned sections of the socialist movement, who are still socialists in some shape, even if its just their personal values, they've known so many damn ruses that often its hard to know when there will be something other than a ruse.
On the topic if things that make you think; “ Pimp†is considered a compliment in certain black culture. Ever stopped and thought “ What IS a pimp?†Well, it’s someone who owns people and makes money off of thier work.
It’s true.
He also believes that the illuminati are real abd behind the death of every famous black person. That’s too much man.
He does have some really funny material though.