[Jungian Cognitive Functions] Can You Spot It? Recognizing The 8 Cognitive Processes

[KitchenFly]

Sounds interesting highlander and good value.

 

[/DG/]

A good example of Si would be when an individual can recall fact based detail with incredible accuracy which appears to be photographic memory. I worked with an attorney once who could recall an entire file he worked on to the extent that he could tell you exactly which book and page specific relevant information was located. And I am talking about the kind of information which most people would have had to take multiple notes to keep track of, it was almost as if his mind was organized like a filing cabinet and you requested a random piece of information from one of a hundred files in the cabinet and his mind flipped through the cabinets found the file flipped halfway through it and found the exact reference in a matter of seconds. It was really quite amazing (at least to me).

Eh...that might be one example, I suppose, but I don't really think it's that great of one. The population of Si users in the world is enormous, and they don't all have photographic memories. It's usually not quite as impressive.

I'd almost wonder if it's better to describe Si as like Ne, but with things that have already happened or with stored knowledge. (In fact, Si and Ne are paired functions just as Se and Ni are.) You aren't going to be able to observe the introverted functions that well. They're directed inward after all. I would say that Si is used in relating stored information to other things, but then everyone does that...

 

[violett]

Eh...that might be one example, I suppose, but I don't really think it's that great of one. The population of Si users in the world is enormous, and they don't all have photographic memories. It's usually not quite as impressive.

I'd almost wonder if it's better to describe Si as like Ne, but with things that have already happened or with stored knowledge. (In fact, Si and Ne are paired functions just as Se and Ni are.) You aren't going to be able to observe the introverted functions that well. They're directed inward after all. I would say that Si is used in relating stored information to other things, but then everyone does that...

I didn't mean to imply that all Si users have photographic memory. I'm not even sure the person I originally referenced actually has a photographic memory. The point was to make a comparison between and illustrate Si stored memory recall and what would appear to be photographic memory. And from what I have read about sensing introverted as a cognitive process those who use the function as a dominant process give the appearance of being more intelligent than they actually are because of their ability to retrieve information based in past experience quickly and with high levels of accuracy. I'm not writing a book on cognitive process so whether or not you thought it was a good example or not, is actually irrelevant to me.

 

[KitchenFly]

I didn't mean to imply that all Si users have photographic memory. I'm not even sure the person I originally referenced actually has a photographic memory. The point was to make a comparison between and illustrate Si stored memory recall and what would appear to be photographic memory. And from what I have read about sensing introverted as a cognitive process those who use the function as a dominant process give the appearance of being more intelligent than they actually are because of their ability to retrieve information based in past experience quickly and with high levels of accuracy. I'm not writing a book on cognitive process so whether or not you thought it was a good example or not, is actually irrelevant to me.

Si seems to me to about identification, what is taking place what is happening within the self and within the experience of the out side would.

A subjective experiential phenomenon cognitive identification cognitive recollection pertaining to gathering information and identifying information.

The gut the hart the head may-all have expertise actions that may be developed via Si as with, all eight cognitive processes. If that makes sense.

But don't listen to me read a book on the subject, I am working on understanding it my self and can only shear that I think is taking place.

 

[violett]

I am failing to communicate clearly. I am wondering if there is a possible connection or link between what one would think of as photographic memory and Si. And if a possible manifestation of dominant introverted sensing expressed in an individual could be considered the phenomenon of highly detailed and accurate memory recall known as photographic memory. I am not attempting to define the function itself.

 

[KitchenFly]

Well I am going to take a wild intuitive guess and say that what I think maybe taking place is a spitting of attention. Si Ti And Te maybe working in unison as like a triplet. The N function maybe the part of attention that is hosting the action and both Ni & Ne maybe assisting in the translation of the transaction, the cognitive action of recalling and communicating the information or reporting the information to another Se.

I have witnessed people doing it and have asked questions, my house mate can do it she see's it in her mind like looking at a peace of paper that she can read, she reports this as to what is taking place when she exercises her photo graphic memory ability.

So what is my guesstimate of what is taking place Violett.

I could design a simple but complex ennea-grammatical model of it but that would take some effort and time.

 

[violett]

I wish I remembered in which article I found the info I'm poorly attempting to regurgitate, so I could copy and directly quote.

 

[highlander]

This is a good video that describes the program. Again, I think it's phenomenal.

It is a really good deal for what you get.

 

[Frosty]

That sounds really interesting

 

[Cellmold]

Si seems to me to about identification, what is taking place what is happening within the self and within the experience of the out side would.

A subjective experiential phenomenon cognitive identification cognitive recollection pertaining to gathering information and identifying information.

The gut the hart the head may-all have expertise actions that may be developed via Si as with, all eight cognitive processes. If that makes sense.

But don't listen to me read a book on the subject, I am working on understanding it my self and can only shear that I think is taking place.

I've always seen Si as a cross-comparison machine, constantly checking that things are matching up to a subjective impression of experiences of 'what should be'.

The process is often recognisable but where it manifests isn't.

 

[KitchenFly]

I've always seen Si as a cross-comparison machine, constantly checking that things are matching up to a subjective impression of experiences of 'what should be'.

The process is often recognisable but where it manifests isn't.

Interesting question,. i have been thinking after today being challenged by a frustrated mind set intj, questions and statements challenged me to manifest innate understandings.

The process where it manifests from? there are some basics understandings codified in the structures we both meditated upon. it seems to me to be well explained via am impression abstract structure that is reasonable within its metaphorical like ness to the actual of our sheared experiences.

the circle of the enneagram reminds me of a field as like a continues string, i can think of it as a frame work scaffold system a flexion of wave energy activities. And within that nano vibrating flux is the oscillations of selfs phenomenological experience.

So we have codes and patterns that we have codified in the endeavour to manifest a full science a map Human-Psychometrics. And our very own bodily structures or knowledge of the medical and anatomy of our physiology.

There are structures and pathways between the codes within the modes we utilise in understanding the MBTI Enneagram Hole Brain Model and Number Patterns.

i would not suggest that a full framework understanding of psychometrics needed for transformational work at the individual group and social activity level is out of reach. My interest in the enneagram and mbti and other structures has always infused by the knowing that authentic synergy development is posable, by authentic i pitch the level at levels 1, 2, 3 of the levels of development. Basically Level Three Of The Levels Of Health/ Development (Riso,Hudson) LEVEL THREE - The Level Of Social Value.

But anyway Si and where it manifests from Body/Mind/ physics chemistry electromagnetic source. Yes you are correct where it is manifested isn't recognisable and if so it is not discussed locally smug laypersons on these discussion boards.

what i do know is that the I , E , P , J ,, S - N - T - F , S&N - T&F , Point-Eergy , Subtype , tritype , Hole Brain Type , Tri-Fix , a couple of my models , work together in patterns as like a structured framework mechanical mechanism. My gut feeling says that chemistry genetics and a science of electromagnetic energy and other fields collaborating will yield a testable out come a synthesised model of mind within a machine. Some time of but not impossible for the curiosity of the Human Mind.

 

[Cellmold]

Interesting question,. i have been thinking after today being challenged by a frustrated mind set intj, questions and statements challenged me to manifest innate understandings.

The process where it manifests from? there are some basics understandings codified in the structures we both meditated upon. it seems to me to be well explained via am impression abstract structure that is reasonable within its metaphorical like ness to the actual of our sheared experiences.

the circle of the enneagram reminds me of a field as like a continues string, i can think of it as a frame work scaffold system a flexion of wave energy activities. And within that nano vibrating flux is the oscillations of selfs phenomenological experience.

So we have codes and patterns that we have codified in the endeavour to manifest a full science a map Human-Psychometrics. And our very own bodily structures or knowledge of the medical and anatomy of our physiology.

There are structures and pathways between the codes within the modes we utilise in understanding the MBTI Enneagram Hole Brain Model and Number Patterns.

i would not suggest that a full framework understanding of psychometrics needed for transformational work at the individual group and social activity level is out of reach. My interest in the enneagram and mbti and other structures has always infused by the knowing that authentic synergy development is posable, by authentic i pitch the level at levels 1, 2, 3 of the levels of development. Basically Level Three Of The Levels Of Health/ Development (Riso,Hudson) LEVEL THREE - The Level Of Social Value.

But anyway Si and where it manifests from Body/Mind/ physics chemistry electromagnetic source. Yes you are correct where it is manifested isn't recognisable and if so it is not discussed locally smug laypersons on these discussion boards.

what i do know is that the I , E , P , J ,, S - N - T - F , S&N - T&F , Point-Eergy , Subtype , tritype , Hole Brain Type , Tri-Fix , a couple of my models , work together in patterns as like a structured framework mechanical mechanism. My gut feeling says that chemistry genetics and a science of electromagnetic energy and other fields collaborating will yield a testable out come a synthesised model of mind within a machine. Some time of but not impossible for the curiosity of the Human Mind.

You've put more thought into it than me. I was just saying that experience is subjective so what Si in an individual picks up on as being familiar in perception is specific to that person. But the process of Si when that experience of familiarity is challenged, is quite readily observable.

Usually in the *baby out with the bathwater* mentality.

Interesting ideas though.

 

[KitchenFly]

Yer I like the way you think, reading your post generated an impression of more than one structure and just a cause and effect two part structure. More than one structure in the sense of ,metaphorically speaking, as if watching what is being challenged is a fix within the fluidity of the flux.

It's tricky to put into words a description of out comes from working patterns because the variables vary front situation to situation.

I would need time to ponder but I think there are patterns within patters that both interface with patters and then there are most likely several framework patters and number patterns because there are nine points three instincts and lots of other stuff.

I guess I am still talking because there is primary structure and its on the tip of my tongue to talk about but I don't want to start with out being able to successfully complete the pattern.

But I trust the standard model or the MBTI because well it's accurate to life experience, and these things like 8 cognitive functions are true to. I kinds know then but I have not reflected adequately to trust allowing trusting what understandings I do have to role of my tong.

So I am curious to learn more, I am going to purchase the product and as I am going to think in a large framework as I learn and reflect on the 8 cognitive processes think about the point type mood agenda Tri-fix and Tri-type and see what I think. I have my own correlation but I have never really thought of the 8 cognitive processes out side of Si or Se as an expression of S function. I just thought it was natural that S flows as Si and Se as the mood or agenda influences conches ness.

So maybe that's a starting point clue. Conches and the refractive properties of both mood and agenda and the expression of the 8 cognitive processes.

But I think there is more to it I think there are or I suspect that there are more faces to the eight part geometry so to say. As if there is a ninth at its centre and that gets me thinking of the Egoic mind, that I think of as being nine parts.

Attitude behaviour ethos mood agenda conches sense think feel. It would be easy for me to suspect two things a one to one match with all but ethos and a random eight of nine with one as serving a hidden complaint Bias. But there just thoughts that role of the top of my head, but that how I think when approaching puzzles like how dose it all work together.

 

[Ene]

I finished the Can You Spot it Course some time ago and just failed to get back here and give feedback but I think it was an excellent course. As a result of it, I feel much more confident in spotting dominant functions. I particularly appreciated the video examples of each type of function.

 

[OrangeAppled]

I was generously gifted this for some forum contest. I have yet to review it though; sorry! I made a few notes and will have to find them, because I only vaguely remember the gist of my impressions.

There was some good stuff, but I disagree with some of it also. I am not a fan of Vicky Jo's affected personality or the style of the presentation (that clipart & those haikus... ), but I will give credit for some good points made, as soon as I remember them .

 

[Forever]

Vicky Jo will may have to wait a little longer to get her cash from me. But I will see it that I take this course too.