My first post was relating to how obvious the adaptation you mentioned (in the post I quoted) seemed to be to you. (sports crow - > active etc) My "does not compute" comment was expressing surprise. Yes, Fi allows for pretty much any value, but more often than not, Fi users are characterized by being very independent from context in that way. This does not mean I'm saying you suck at Fi or anything. But that maybe you're not engaging on Fi some of the times you do that. Notice I said maybe. The fact that I need to explain this pisses my own Fi off (as if I have to defend myself when I didn't do anything wrong in the first place, and it was all a matter of no-benefit of the doubt interpretation). We use 7 other functions. If a ENFP can go with the social currents, it doesn't mean he or she is using Fi when he or she is doing that.
yeah, i see what you mean. but i tend to believe we're using all our functions at once, just in different orders/amounts/layers - or at least, our mental systems are so affected by our function use that it's impossible to act without the influence of any function. so it's weird to me to, at any point, think i'm not engaging Fi. basically my whole ethical system is mediated by Fi, so even if i'm being outwardly people-adaptable with Fe, i think there's still a Fi drive running somewhere to provide base reasoning why i
can be outwardly people-adaptable without subverting my own ethos. i guess where i saw you doing something "wrong" (please don't take this offensively, it was just my perception at the time, i'm totally neutral currently - but just for the sake of understanding) was that you pointed out a negative without any positive to balance it. that, to me, reads as "not nice." maybe to you it was just an inconsistency in an idea i had, not something about me personally, so it doesn't apply to me? to me, that whole post was about
myself, so i felt like you were applying that inconsistency to me personally. which i suspect is generally where Fi > Fe/ F > T sensitivity comes from...
It wasn't about me not understanding like I explained previously. Besides, I didn't say anything overtly offensive in any of my posts towards you. "Does not compute", for example, is not a super ultra serious way of phrasing things, which should hint you that I'm not making a big deal of whatever it is that I'm saying. Besides I'm not the most serious person in the world. I guess I should start using more smileys in my posts.
lol. maybe. yeah, like i said before, i just read it as a kind of "boop boop fail." i actually don't think the joking manner was unclear... but it actually made it worse for me, because it just seemed like mockery! humor fail on my/our part i guess :/
Who said anything about wrong or right? Who am I to tell you what to do? Do you think I'm that stupid to waste my time telling people what to do in such matters? I want to discuss. I love to analyze social situations. If I ask and ping-pong it's to probe.
haha, i dunno, some people just like being jerks for the fun of it. and a lot of people like telling others what to do. it is the internets after all... hard to tell people's real intentions... sorry i misjudged.
A function does not a man make. Besides, being a TP doesn't make one a dick or wrong. Even if it did, I don't see the point in getting defensive (nevermind the fact there's no good reason for it) if someone IS being a dick. Just ignore that person. But I'm pretty sure as an ENFP, you like to communicate and understand people, so Ti needn't rile you up.
oh, nah, i don't mean TP makes someone a jerk or wrong. more like someone being TP makes
me more likely to think that they're trying to be a jerk when they're actually not. i live with a pair of Ti doms (INTPs), and what just occurred between your POV and mine is very similar to what often occurs between the Ti doms and me - you were coming from a neutral stance and pointing out inconsistencies, i mistook it as a personal attack, and you were offended by my defense. you'd think after years of living with them i'd have learned better, but i guess it takes a lot for each of us to overcome our own perspectives. at least i can see the pattern now. you're right that it needn't rile me up - it's hard when the subject matters to me, though, you know? i feel like if i don't address a perception that's off - if i don't get to the truth of something - then i'm just perpetuating disharmony. and my emotion tends to piss people off, though i don't really get why. anyway - i think that's a really interesting Fe-Fi difference. Fi > Fe people are probably more likely to argue about something because they tend to think that harmony is better achieved once everything is out in the open, instead of creating external harmony that might be "disguising" underlying internal conflict. whereas my Fe dom best friend would probably argue that external harmony soothes internally. both are ultimately true, i guess.
Exactly. It's more about using Ne.
haha yeah i agree.
and actually, i think Ne + Fi undertones ends up looking a lot like - if not often ends up engaging - Fe.
i have this idea that sometimes function combinations can slide us into other functions... like primary Ne + Fi usage, if used heavy on iNtuition and focusing on Fi internal issues, can slide me into using Ni via a more comfortable path than just engaging Ni out of the blue. and Ne + Fi used heavy externally but in reference to people can slide me into Fe. what i wonder is how you can tell when it's really Ne + Fi or if it's actually Fe. or is there even a purpose in wondering about the difference, because the functions are just theoretical anyway?