LEGERdeMAIN
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Who tries to oppress you with your religion?
Oh, and I concur with the statement about religion and oppressing people.
Oh just people I've had the unfortunate displeasure of meeting( through family events for example), or other folk in general. I've heard people making judgments quite a few times, trying to force their beliefs on others, but oddly enough, it is mostly traditional/cultural(older generations exhibit this the most); not even religious. They often mix up their culture/traditions with their religion, leading to the belief that certain standards are part of the religion itself, when it isn't.
I won't go into details or examples, because they're usually pointless, and make me want to punch someone's face in.
There is too much idiocy going on in that link. Am I supposed to think something else of it?
Or are you referring to how old Muslims believe the earth is? Which I believe has not been "calculated". Ie: It's really fucking old.
I think that most scientists would agree that the exact age of the earth has not been calculated. Are all Muslims scientists?
This thread is confusing when everybody has the same avatar.
But-But its such a massively cute avatar...confusion is a small price to pay for its replication!
Hmm, that's probably not helping with YWIR's misperception that I'm a feeler....
You identify a crucial distinction here, between what might be called the theory of a religion and its practice. Most complaints against various religions seem to focus on the second, where human greed, corruption, fear, and other issues can trump even the most enlightened and inspiring elements of faith. Many of these behaviors are more reflective of culture than of the faith itself. They also are linked to whether someone has a more literal or more figurative interpretation of theory.A lot of people feel oppressed mainly by other external forces that manipulate their religion as a means to brainwash or oppress them. People have free will, and I wish people would step aside and not stick their nose into what people choose to believe or do.
So. No, I am not oppressed by my religion. I do often feel others trying to use it to oppress me though.
Most criticisms I have heard levelled against Islam apply equally to Christianity. Islam is a younger religion, though, by about 600 years. What were Christians doing 600 years ago? The Inquisition.
So, just what was the Soviet Union saying the "liberal democracies" were morally equivalent to? You have not provided enough information for one to address this properly.
I believe any form of 'thanks' or grateful remembrance is a prayer in its own right. I have prayed like that before, yes. When I do, it is not because I feel any obligation, but because I feel a sense of peace during, and afterwards.Do you pray three or five times a day on a mat facing Mecca, reciting a prayer, kneeling and bowing down til your head touches the floor in an act of submission?
If so then where does the mat come from
and how do you always know which direction Mecca is in and do the paryers change?
Yes, most do. But it ultimately depends on the individual, the time invested, and if they follow the Hadiths(that go into deeper and finer details--which is NOT something that is supposed to be mixed up with the religion; something which most Muslims are unaware of.Do some more conservative muslisms do something like this if not all?
?Have my questions already been asked
Ignorance always plays a part in asking questions. Stupidity and malicious ignorance, not so much. There is nothing wrong with seeking answers.Do you think they are stupid/ignorant?
Actually, the Soviets maintained that their communist system was morally superior to that of the US and other societies that left the masses to the mercies of dog-eat-dog capitalism. The vocal and violent minority of Muslims who commit crimes of terror may have a similar opinion of the west, but I suspect far more people in the west feel morally superior to all Muslims, however moderate their views and peaceable their behavior.
Please! During the Cold War, it was the peaceniks in the West who made the propaganda of Moral Equivalence.
And today, during the global Jihad, it is the Islamists and the marxists, again in the West, who make the same propaganda of Moral Equivalence.
which looks like a claim that Soviets, and not "peaceniks in the west", were arguing moral equivalence.This is the Moral Equivalence Argument, used by the Soviets against the liberal democracies during the Cold War. And today the Moral Equivalence Argument is used by the Islamists and their Marxist supporters also against the liberal democracies.
...there is moral equivalence. Murder is wrong, whether done in the name of Islam, Christianity, communism, or just plain greed and prejudice. So are lying, deceit, coercion, and many other human behaviors. No faith has a monopoly on these, nor on the virtues.
You are welcome to call it what you like, though at the risk of confusing others. To me, it sounds pretty absolute (murder is wrong, no matter who/where/what you are), and simple common sense.This is called cultural relativism and is a propaganda technique to demoralise us.