Are some humans less conscious than others

[meowington]

I'd really like to hear [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION] 's thoughts on this (if you feel like it).

 

[Lark]

The sleeping ones probably.

 

[EcK]

I'd really like to hear [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION] 's thoughts on this (if you feel like it).

Yeah why not [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION]

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The sleeping ones probably.

true.

 

[uumlau]

What a crappy test!

It might as well have one question: "Are you a New Age INFJ Enneagram 9 hippie?" Yes No (circle one)


My results, if anyone cares (I don't):

Your Consciousness Quotient: 78.85%

The Consciousness Quotient (CQ) is a composite psychological construct based on a list of traits, skills and abilities that describe conscious experience. The CQ Inventory (CQ-i) evaluates the frequency of various behaviours and the usage of specific skills and abilities, providing a detailed description of conscious awareness experiences.
To be conscious means to have a degree of witnessing awareness and a degree of freedom of choice when thinking, feeling, sensing and interacting with people and the environment. An important element of conscious experience is intentionality, being the mind-set that allows a person to deliberately choose what behaviour to enact and what attitude to select. ‘More conscious’ (a higher CQ) means a higher degree of witnessing awareness and being less automatic in thinking-feeling-sensing, together with a higher degree of choice when initiating a behaviour. The witnessing perspective, which leads to the ability to observe the inside and outside worlds without engaging with them, is one of the key factors of the CQ construct. ‘Witnessing awareness’ is usually described as the ‘I am experience’, ‘the observer experience’, ‘just being’ (as opposed to ‘doing’), ‘awareness of awareness itself’ and ‘no-mind’. ‘Mindfulness’ is a related the construct, but in terms of modern mindfulness – as it is promoted in the West – being mindful does not go beyond being a cognitive observer.

The everyday CQ is described by Ovidiu Brazdau as “the level of consciousness (or the level of being conscious) that is experienced in the morning, one hour after waking up and after having had a refreshing sleep, without being exposed to any significant stimulus (coffee, TV, radio, music, talking, psychological stress). In other words, the consciousness quotient is the general level of being conscious/aware throughout a day, in regular life conditions.” This level of being conscious can change during life through the process of personal development.

Physical CQ: 66.22%
The Physical CQ refers to the capacity for awareness of one’s body and of the actual elements of the environment (environmental awareness). This factor includes various traits, skills and abilities, such as interoceptive awareness, body posture, tone of voice, awareness of senses (e.g., smell, taste, touch), psychosomatic connections (how the body is influenced by emotions and thinking patterns), detecting automatic movements of the body (e.g., automatic eating behaviours), awareness of the bio-energy of the body, and a connection with one’s physical surroundings.
Your score on the Physical Consciousness subscale is in the upper-intermediate values range, meaning that you are aware of what happens with your own body and of the changes occurring in your environment. It is easy for you to describe your body and various physiological changes while acknowledging at the same time your own needs.
Emotional CQ: 74.44%
The Emotional CQ refers to the capacity for awareness of one’s emotions and feelings, and their development and interactions. The Emotional CQ include traits, skills and abilities related to the emotional world, such as empathy, emotional validation, openness, vulnerability, recognition of people’s emotions, detecting the automatic patterns in emotional life, mirroring others, emotional acceptance, emotional intelligence, the ability to select among emotions and to sustain positive emotions, adapting emotional responses to various social contexts, and acceptance of any emotions that appear in you.
Your score on the Emotional Consciousness scale is in the upper-intermediate values range, meaning that you are aware of your own emotions and feelings. You are capable of assertive behaviour adapted to the environment and your own person. You are empathetic and able to acknowledge at the same time your own emotional changes.
Cognitive CQ: 89.22%
The Cognitive CQ refers to the capacity for awareness of one’s own ideas and thoughts, of the cognitive flow in general. The Cognitive CQ is related to thinking, reflection, judgment, patterns of understanding, ways of meaning-making. It includes specific traits, skills and abilities, such as systems-thinking, intuition, awareness of cognitive filters, metacognition, self-reflection, detection of cognitive biases (e.g., jumping to conclusions, labeling, projection), accepting indecision, flexibility in thinking, critical thinking, present moment awareness, awareness of the limits of words (construct awareness), attention regulation, an ability to act with intention (choice), decision-making, mindfulness (not judging the inner experience), acceptance of multiple perspectives, cognitive openness, creativity, the ability to have a panoramic view (overview) of a specific topic or situation, and the ability to manage the flow of thoughts.
Your score on the Cognitive CQ is in the upper values range, meaning that you have a very large number of the skills necessary to observe and manage your own thoughts. You are a person with a very high level of awareness of the thinking process and you have enhanced abilities in regulating your thought process.
Social-Relational CQ: 76.85%
The Social-Relational CQ refers to the capacity for awareness of the relations and connections with the people around us and the communities we are a part of. The Social-Relational CQ includes traits, skills and abilities related to parental relationships, close relationships, social interactions, perception of others’ communications styles, detecting social deception, cognitive empathy, social intuition, flexibility in social behaviours, outrospection (a means of getting to know oneself by developing relationships and empathetic thinking with others), awareness of in-out groups stereotypes, cognitive openness when discussing matters with others, detecting the hidden agendas of the people we listen to or talk to, and conversational skills.
Your score on the Social Consciousness scale is in the upper-intermediate values range, meaning that you are very much aware of your relationships with others. You can easily identify changes in the dynamics of close relations and you have good interpersonal skills that allow you to connect with people.
Self CQ: 83.33%
The Self CQ refers to the capacity for awareness of one’s self and one’s own ego (identity). The Self CQ includes traits, skills and abilities related to identity, the self-system, one’s image of life, self-awareness, connections between emotions and thinking, an ability to see one’s self as objectively as possible, flexibility in ego-related thinking (e.g., the ability to make and appreciate jokes about the way we are), self-compassion, self-kindness, post-autonomous ego-development traits (goal in life, ego awareness), awareness of sub-personalities, multicultural self-awareness (e.g., recognizing how cultures you interact with influence your worldview), and autonomy.
Your score on the Self CQ scale is in the upper values range, meaning that you have a very good ability to connect with yourself and observe your identity. This is why you find it very easy to manage your own inner life and to talk about yourself. You gave very good recognition of the multiple facets of your personality and you experience yourself as something more than the sum of the parts of your personality.
Inner Growth CQ: 85.96%
The Inner Growth CQ refers to the capacity for awareness of the process of personal development, transformation and growth. The Inner Growth CQ includes traits, skills and abilities related to the evolution of personality, paradigm shifts, unlearning and learning (through pain or by open learning), openness, the language updating process, accepting criticism, abandoning old perspectives and embracing new ones, noticing resistance to change, learning after peak experiences, detecting the cognitive biases related to learning (e.g., confirmation bias), resilience, awareness of one’s level of development (e.g., using spiral dynamics theory), and an ability to sustain new patterns of thinking/feeling while old patterns slowly lose their grip (awareness of the process of neuroplasticity).
Your score on the Inner Growth CQ scale is in the upper values range, meaning that you have enhanced skills for sustaining your own personality development. You have developed the ability to be open, to accept new experiences and to learn from them. You quickly notice when a situation has the potential to teach you something, and you have developed the ability to see how other people mirror your needs and desires. You are open to criticism and welcome difficult situations, as you see that they can make important contributions to your personal development process.
Spiritual CQ: 73.42%
This factor includes specific traits, skills and abilities related to human connectedness, meta-awareness, witnessing awareness (non-attachment) and acceptance of experience, present moment awareness, the connection of humans and nature (environment), mindfulness, and non-reactivity to inner experiences. Witnessing experience is a key factor to the Spiritual CQ: the ability to look at your own body, thoughts and feelings, and your own awareness as a neutral witness, from the outside. This is the experience of an ‘I’, of an observer, of watching one’s self doing things.
An important part of the Spiritual CQ explores post-autonomous ego development features, including serving others, compassion for the self, transpersonal experiences, Ego as object/construct, detecting the limits of words (language as object).

The Spiritual CQ factor was developed by including the participatory understanding of spirituality: the spirituality of persons is developed and revealed primarily in the spirituality of their relations with other persons (regarding spirituality primarily as the fruit of individual meditative attainment leads to the gross anomaly of a ‘spiritual’ person who is an interpersonal oppressor).

Your score on the Spiritual Consciousness scale is in the upper-intermediate values range, meaning that you have good skills that allow you to experience the interconnectedness of people and nature and that you are open to spiritual experiences. You have well-defined ideas about your purpose on Earth, and you find it easy to talk about religion and humankind in general. You have the ability to witness, observe and accept all experiences, positive and negative, and you often find yourself contemplating the complexity of life.

I understand what it's trying to get at, but the test fails its own standards, fails to acknowledge other ways of being aware of the world, more spiritual, and so on. Nope, there is only one way to be aware of the world, which means you have to feel like all of humanity is your family, see imaginary energy patterns in space, understand that everything is an opinion (there are no facts) [should I have added "deconstructionist" or "post-modernist" to my alternative question?], and in general be the test's version of "open-minded", which is phrased in such a way that some very close-minded people are going to score high. (You have to be open-minded enough that your brain might fall out.)



This test scores very high in BQ (bullshit quotient). Some of the ideas in here are diamonds in the rough, but they're drowned out be the idiocy and egotistical self-importance of whomever wrote it.

 

[PeaceBaby]

What a crappy test!

It might as well have one question: "Are you a New Age INFJ Enneagram 9 hippie?" Yes No (circle one)

I understand what it's trying to get at, but the test fails its own standards, fails to acknowledge other ways of being aware of the world, more spiritual, and so on. Nope, there is only one way to be aware of the world, which means you have to feel like all of humanity is your family, see imaginary energy patterns in space, understand that everything is an opinion (there are no facts) [should I have added "deconstructionist" or "post-modernist" to my alternative question?], and in general be the test's version of "open-minded", which is phrased in such a way that some very close-minded people are going to score high. (You have to be open-minded enough that your brain might fall out.)

This test scores very high in BQ (bullshit quotient). Some of the ideas in here are diamonds in the rough, but they're drowned out be the idiocy and egotistical self-importance of whomever wrote it.

My biggest criticism is that it is very apparent what the test creator feels are indicators of "high" CQ. There's no mystery to the scoring rubric in any way. In fact, it makes you feel somewhat deficient if you don't see patterns of light in space and bond freely with the universe whilst scanning your inner self for emotional energy patterns in order to foster deeper self-growth.

Now, you could take an IQ test and sit there looking at the questions in the same way (like, waaaduz this meeen?) and disclaim that there could possibly be any connection between answering those questions and your level of cognitive capability. So, I am curious how much resistance is from that area of personal discomfort.

Would be interesting to try to make this test so neutral that the "right answer" isn't obvious in any way. That would be a challenge. And could yield a far superior result.

 

[RedAmazoneFriendZone]

For Deepak Chopra for example, there are 7 levels of consciousness.
Of course, the answer to that question is YES.

 

[EcK]

This test scores very high in BQ (bullshit quotient). Some of the ideas in here are diamonds in the rough, but they're drowned out be the idiocy and egotistical self-importance of whomever wrote it.

You know, you can leave comments on their questions as to 'help them improve their test'

My comments went (paraphrasing):

"Could someone PLEASE fire the hippie who wrote 1/3rd of these questions"

"I think you guys meant to ask that one to Harry Potter"

"Nop, still not a wizard"

"How is having synaesthesia a sign of awareness exactly...?"

etc.

 

[EcK]

Among people who do not have any mental disabilities, probably. Among people in general, yes. I don't know how wed go about testing it with our current technology and knowledge of the human brain but I also don't see a reason to test it. As long as one is conscious enough, that's all that matters, and that's pretty obvious most of the time.

I see only one way

vivisection

actually there's plenty of ways to study consciousness, MRIs, Studying brain damaged people etc.

 

[EcK]

The premise reminds me of this, except it'd be a spectrum. Sounds like something good to accuse an indigenous population of.

Philosophical zombie - Wikipedia

You're thinking of Aboriginal Australians aren't you.

 

[that's not my name]

I see only one way

vivisection

actually there's plenty of ways to study consciousness, MRIs, Studying brain damaged people etc.

I see, I used to keep up with this 4 or 5 years ago, but I got away from it, anything interesting recently?

 

[Litsnob]

I am inclined to suspect that higher levels of consciousness are an illusion. Neuroscience is telling us that there is a God section of the brain which has spiritual feelings when stimulated and that when we experience lucid dreaming along with sleep paralysis we are likely to sense a presence-this leads to people thinking they've been visited by ghosts or aliens. I think that some people are more likely to experience these things and believe it is a higher level of consciousness.

We need to define consciousness, we need to define higher, we need to define them as the term higher-consciousness. Without that we can only speculate.

 

[meowington]

It might as well have one question: "Are you a New Age INFJ Enneagram 9 hippie?" Yes No (circle one)

Haha. I take it you don't really like Jesus.

I didn't bother to take this test. I guess it all comes down to this : if someone was able to empirically define consciousness and its degrees we would have heard about it by now.

But at the same time : just walk around at any public place and we just know some people are much more intricate and -dare I say it- evolved than others, or vice versa.

 

[meowington]

I am inclined to suspect that higher levels of consciousness are an illusion. Neuroscience is telling us that there is a God section of the brain which has spiritual feelings when stimulated and that when we experience lucid dreaming along with sleep paralysis we are likely to sense a presence-this leads to people thinking they've been visited by ghosts or aliens. I think that some people are more likely to experience these things and believe it is a higher level of consciousness.

Yeah absolutely.

I don't understand why "higher consciousness" always gets associated with religion. Imo people with a "higher consciousness" -whatever that is- are not likely to be religious to begin with. I'd much rather associate the term with thinking freely and critically. And with a multitude of all sorts of intelligence. I'd rather associate it with free masons than some cult leader, to put it roughly.

 

[Galaxy Gazer]

What the hell is consciousness?

 

[Litsnob]

Yeah absolutely.

I don't understand why "higher consciousness" always gets associated with religion. Imo people with a "higher consciousness" -whatever that is- are not likely to be religious to begin with. I'd much rather associate the term with thinking freely and critically. And with a multitude of all sorts of intelligence. I'd rather associate it with free masons than some cult leader, to put it roughly.

I think it's because religions are usually the ones who talk about the concept of higher consciousness. I associate it with new age spirituality or westernised borrowings of eastern religions. Higher consciousness in terms of higher intelligence seems like something possibly more measurable. Awareness of what, might be the question though and are these things a person is supposedly aware of actually real? LOL It gets complicated.

 

[Mole]

Literacy is counter intuitive. Literacy is not natural. Almost no one learns to read and write by themselves. So we are compelled by State law to leave our homes and go to special institutions with specially trained staff to learn to read and write. So learning to read and write represses parts of us into our unconscious.

Dr Sigmund Freud discovered this and created Psychoanalysis to explore the repressed unconscious, and make the unconscious conscious.

However Professor Marshall McLuhan discovered that the electronic media are natural, and are learned intuitively at home. And he discovered that the electronic media require no repression. And so require no unconscious.

And we see the repressed unconscious is rushing into our conscious, particularly our sexual unconscious. We see this in feminism, in LGBTI, pornography, in child sexual abuse, in infibulation, in child marriage, in polyamory. All are moving from the unconscious to the conscious. That is why we are able to talk about them now. We no longer need Dr Freud to make the unconscious, conscious.

 

[EcK]

I see, I used to keep up with this 4 or 5 years ago, but I got away from it, anything interesting recently?

Not sure honestly, I researched well... everything really ... alot when younger. But I've had other priorities lately.
So I dropped a few topics like this one, my data (mostly) dates back quite a bit. One of my reasons for creating this thread actually.

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What the hell is consciousness?

Well according to Sartes

Hell is others
and consciousness is the self.

 

[Typh0n]

Well, this is an incredibly complex topic, but to answer in a word: yes. Consciousness can be consciously (ha!) developped.

 

[wool]

Literacy is counter intuitive. Literacy is not natural. Almost no one learns to read and write by themselves. So we are compelled by State law to leave our homes and go to special institutions with specially trained staff to learn to read and write. So learning to read and write represses parts of us into our unconscious.

Dr Sigmund Freud discovered this and created Psychoanalysis to explore the repressed unconscious, and make the unconscious conscious.

However Professor Marshall McLuhan discovered that the electronic media are natural, and are learned intuitively at home. And he discovered that the electronic media require no repression. And so require no unconscious.

And we see the repressed unconscious is rushing into our conscious, particularly our sexual unconscious. We see this in feminism, in LGBTI, pornography, in child sexual abuse, in infibulation, in child marriage, in polyamory. All are moving from the unconscious to the conscious. That is why we are able to talk about them now. We no longer need Dr Freud to make the unconscious, conscious.

Go on...

 

[Lark]

Are they morlocks or are they Eloi?