simulatedworld
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you know, i don't disagree with you (said IxFP) and i'm not taking any sides here (yet), but what was described was not Ni
Q said:
Victor's got Ne out the whoo-ha. That's not Ni you see. Every thought is connected to another (seemingly random) thought and so it goes, until you come full circle to the original thought. When Ne is more matured, there's an elegance to it, that's poetic.
That's true of both N functions.
Point is, his strings of thought, they're not very in-to-out, it's out-going-in-in-in-oh-so-in "deep" and expansive.
IA, about the Fi.
He's an INFP (who hates Te).
Bolded part is much more Ni than Ne. Ne doesn't go deep; it goes wide. It connects a lot of unrelated contexts in the same level of depth by noting abstract conceptual similarities between different systems. (Interestingly, "expansive" is more applicable to Ne, but "deep" is not. Ni is extensive, not expansive--Q seems to have included elements of both Ne and Ni and generalized all of them together as Ne.)
Ni goes all the way to the bottom of one system to fully understand all of its implications and remove itself from any unconscious perceptual bias in interpreting the meaning of that system, but doesn't make the "horizontal" inter-systemic connections that Ne is capable of.
Statements like, "You know, x is a lot like y in that the relationships between their parts operate similarly" are Ne. Horizontal connections between the same level of depth across different systems. Extroverted functions are by nature more superficial.
Statements like, "You know, x is really just a shallow attempt to deceive me, but there are a lot of different things I might be missing before I step back and view the system independently of its built-in interpretations" are Ni. Vertical connections down to the deepest levels of personalized interpretations of meaning.
Just because Victor uses abstract language to illustrate his points doesn't mean he's using Ne. Except when his Fi takes over and makes unsubstantiated moral pronouncements, he's always seeking to show how everything is all in how you look at it, which is classic Ni.
What about when reality contradicts the system? Someone might exhibit Fi, Se, and Ni. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to exhibit Te over Ti. Function use doesn't always line up according to the limited combinations.
Whatever it is you're interpreting as Ti is probably a combination of other functions/inadequacies in your functional analysis. Fi and Ti cannot simultaneously influence one's value system because they directly contradict each other regarding the source of introverted judgments.