[Traditional Enneagram] 5w6 vs 5w4: Differences?

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Enneagram experts of typoC, what are the differences between 5s with 4 wings and 5s with 6 wings? In a nutshell...

 

[WhoCares]

oh, asking for a expert. Okay I'll refrain from defiling this thread with my own thoughts then. Might lurk though and see what the experts think.

 

[Typh0n]

The difference is like the difference between humanities(5w4) and hard sciences(5w6).

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

oh, asking for a expert. Okay I'll refrain from defiling this thread with my own thoughts then. Might lurk though and see what the experts think.

I was half-joking. I should have put experts in quotation marks. Please, I'd like to read what you have to say. All opinions are welcome, expert and novice.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

The difference is like the difference between humanities(5w4) and hard sciences(5w6).

Would you mind elaborating a bit? I've read similar statements to this effect.

 

[fghw]

The difference is like the difference between humanities(5w4) and hard sciences(5w6).

But what if you like both???

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

Well, for starters, the 5w4 is an internally conflicted type while the 5w6 is an unconflicted type.

The 5w4 is the Five that has strong bursts of emotions but doesn't know how to contain them or suppress them well. The 5 attempts to remain clear-headed and objective and thus begins trying to fight the emotions surfacing to remain objective.

The 5w6 isn't conflicted, and the Type 6 compliments the Type 5 due to its head type nature, but it does increase the amount of overall paranoia the 5 experiences.

But then add fixes and instinctual variants and the whole system fucks itself over.

Is one a 5 with a 4 wing or a 4 fix? Is it an sx 5w4 and thus better apt at emotions?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

But what if you like both???

That's my quandary.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Well, for starters, the 5w4 is an internally conflicted type while the 5w6 is an unconflicted type.

The 5w4 is the Five that has strong bursts of emotions but doesn't know how to contain them or suppress them well. The 5 attempts to remain clear-headed and objective and thus begins trying to fight the emotions surfacing to remain objective.

The 5w6 isn't conflicted, and the Type 6 compliments the Type 5 due to its head type nature, but it does increase the amount of overall paranoia the 5 experiences.

So, essentially, the 5, primarily a thinking type, is plagued or conflicted by "touchy feelie" heart bullshit if they have a 4 wing, due to 4 primarily being a feeling type? Is it safe to to say that 5w4 is one of the most conflicted types in the enneagram?

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

So, essentially, the 5, primarily a thinking type, is plagued or conflicted by "touchy feelie" heart bullshit if they have a 4 wing, due to 4 primarily being a feeling type? Is it safe to to say that 5w4 is one of the most conflicted types in the enneagram?

Yeah. 4 also adds more creativity and originality which the 5 can harvest, but the emotionalism is put down like a rabid dog in the 5 until it surfaces again and stronger.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Yeah. 4 also adds more creativity and originality which the 5 can harvest, but the emotionalism is put down like a rabid dog in the 5 until it surfaces again and stronger.

hence the emotional outbursts. Like shaking a soda bottle vigorously and repeatedly.

I'm seeing a lot of correlation between 5w4 and dominant Introverted Thinking.

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

hence the emotional outbursts. Like shaking a soda bottle vigorously and repeatedly.

I'm seeing a lot of correlation between 5w4 and dominant Introverted Thinking.

Type 5 is generally associated with Ti anyhow, along with some partial Ni and even smaller Te.

Interestingly, Type 4, which is often attributed to Fi and Ni, when paired with a dominant 5, would be either:

Ti(Fi) where Fi openly conflicts the dominant perspective due to its Demonic Personality Complex, and in Socionics this would be akin to the Role function Fi, which suppresses Lead Ti when engaged completely.

Ti(Ni) would be a lot more complementary, where Ni is presented as an irrational (not as in perceiving, but as in non-rational) feeling-ish function due to its presence with Type 4.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Type 5 is generally associated with Ti anyhow, along with some partial Ni and even smaller Te.

Interestingly, Type 4, which is often attributed to Fi and Ni, when paired with a dominant 5, would be either:

Ti(Fi) where Fi openly conflicts the dominant perspective due to its Demonic Personality Complex, and in Socionics this would be akin to the Role function Fi, which suppresses Lead Ti when engaged completely.

Ti(Ni) would be a lot more complementary, where Ni is presented as an irrational (not as in perceiving, but as in non-rational) feeling-ish function due to its presence with Type 4.

Thank you.

 

[fghw]

I don't see Ni as anything like type 5. Type 5 is mainly characterized by the pursuit of logical understanding while Ni is more like inherent understanding, logical or otherwise.

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

I don't see Ni as anything like type 5. Type 5 is mainly characterized by the pursuit of logical understanding while Ni is more like inherent understanding, logical or otherwise.

Ni manifested in the Type 5 is usually in the Ni-Te mechanism, and since Ni's main priority is to discern the meaning behind dynamic events, it is applied to technical, mechanical information through aux Te to figure out the meaning and underlying connections within various systems of knowledge.

By the way, Type 5 wants knowledge primarily and to understand the reasons for things (both the meaning, and the logical systems that cause deviations).

 

[fghw]

Ni manifested in the Type 5 is usually in the Ni-Te mechanism, and since Ni's main priority is to discern the meaning behind dynamic events, it is applied to technical, mechanical information through aux Te to figure out the meaning and underlying connections within various systems of knowledge.

By the way, Type 5 wants knowledge primarily and to understand the reasons for things (both the meaning, and the logical systems that cause deviations).

Ni is just a perspective, it has no real priority. It is too assured to correspond with type 5, which is always questioning.

 

[Alea_iacta_est]

Ni is just a perspective, it has no real priority. It is too assured to correspond with type 5, which is always questioning.

Figure of speech. (Ni's priority as in Ni's job/Ni's directive)

So because Ni produces assured answers to some questions sometimes, it therefore cannot be associated with type 5? Ni also must figure out the meaning of things when it is a conscious function, but it does so in an idiosyncratic way that is not carefully reasoned out like Ti but is instead conducted and then edited by Te to ensure the logical veracity of Ni's assessment. The Type 5's own quest for knowledge is created by the fact that the Type 5 finds security in knowledge due to a lack of knowledge in the environment, so Type 5's real correlations would befit functions that can actively discern the reasons and meanings behind the environment to protect the Type 5 in the environment. The Type 5's desire is to know what will happen and how it will happen, so that they can protect themselves, that is why they hoard knowledge, so that they can have as much information to predict what the environment will do so that they can be completely competent in the face of adversity poised by the environment. Ergo, Ti protects Type 5 by allowing him to rationalize the environment and build the basic framework for how reality is working, which is usually correct due to the logical fortitude of the Ti function, and Ni can protect (but is less correlated, Ti is the base correlation, of course) the Type 5 by being able to creatively discern what is going on behind the front the environment puts up. Type 5 questions everything because it is insecure about its environment, it always wants to know more so that it can be better prepared for the environment, it wants to be competent in the face of reality, for if it is not, it promotes its own insecurity, that the world is too dangerous and wild to be conducted by it.

 

[Typh0n]

Im not talking about liking one or the other but the way 5w4 thinks is less precise and better for humanities and 5w6 has more of a an exact and scientific feel.

That is, at least, my impression.

 

[grey_beard]

Yeah. 4 also adds more creativity and originality which the 5 can harvest, but the emotionalism is put down like a rabid dog in the 5 until it surfaces again and stronger.

[MENTION=19700]Fuzzy Conduit[/MENTION], [MENTION=20385]Alea_iacta_est[/MENTION] -- until the 5w4 matures and learns how to harvest the emotion, or ride the crests similar to "riding the grading curve" in high school or college so they don't have to study.

 

[grey_beard]

Ni is just a perspective, it has no real priority. It is too assured to correspond with type 5, which is always questioning.

fghw --

Malarkey. Ni is always questioning in order to define a unifying underlying framework.
So *there*! (stamps foot)