Zhuli Lily Askar
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There I separated the novel into chapters, you happy now?
What's going on?
There I separated the novel into chapters, you happy now?
I know automatically myself, I'm not sure how mythical it is though, but it seems to describe it's strangeness to most people accurately enough. There are no types that use Fe and Te? ENFJ is Ti? I tend to think the majority is more important regarding many many things but I think deep down certain values matter more in the end. And everybody says I'm an Fi user and not Fe.I mean look I'm already and Fi dom! I use Fe under stress perhaps?
I tend to analyze why if I have time but even if I don't I still do what I planned. Analyzing tends to be less important overall. I used to think I was possibly Ti but then I went more to believing I'm a Te user, and then someone else convinced me of it on top of that. Yes, I think that's something, I tend to do the task at hand with all thinking (at least that's what I think) then I have a lot of spare time, I enjoy contemplating my values, etc. Strong Fi users seem to eventually sense my Fi (if I even use it) after getting to know me because before only my thinking is visible. Based on what you said I'm really not sure I'm Fi now. I tend to always reassure myself and even logically proved to myself that I'm not thinking something because of social orientations because that would seem that your hiding and that it's not true. Aren't your morals true because society doesn't tempt....? I can't explain this. XD
The fact that functions work for most people tends to be enough for me to pursue this goal in a somewhat serious manner. I think that using examples and observing works but it has to be for a long period of time and you still have to check with the person who are testing because they would know if things are accurate based on your observations. Yes, it seems harder to find someone who is really into MBTI and understands it rather than just shallowly judging someone's type. The person who convinced me of Te and Fi is good with MBTI. Oh and another thing, Fi is something very difficult to voice because your automatically....rejected? And people stare and deem you weird. So I see no reason to express emotions. But I can be emotional.
I don't have obsession to the point where I type everyone. Just people I'm I think are interesting in my life. I love reading about these kinds of theories in spare time. Great basic guide to people's personalities. Accurate. I don't know how to explain why I like MBTI so much.
The "revelation" I was speaking about above happens to refer to what you just suggested. I am writing about the last 3 years of my life. That's where I think it happened that my personality became very difficult to determine. Is your personality usually the one you were when you were very young? Or...
What's going on?
Hmm, do you hold any strong convictions about things?
Automatically knowing yourself I don't think would indicate Fi, but maybe.
Though I imagine Te and Fi could base values based on groups to what they deem useful.
Maybe they know that with proper etiquette you will be accepted by a particular group in society which will improve your chances on getting a job or something along those lines.
It's possible to use Fe as a shadow function (under stress), or for many other reasons, but it should be natural to use it daily for the ENFJ.
I think both are very necessary for a topic as abstract as this. It also depends on who is helping you, what feedback you are getting. I agree with this.The best way is to analyze yourself rather than go off of what others say, though sometimes they can aid in self-analysis when they bring up something you didn't previously think of.
Why do they think you are an Fi user?
I think that the action part of thinking sounds Te to me, which confused me a lot in my typing as well. But if you can say you'd rather have results than complete understanding it may bring you closer to Te, depending on the reason why you do it.
Unless I'm confusing this with a combination of functions.
Haha are you saying you don't think doing things that go along with social customs are true to your own sense of value? That may indicate Fi. Fe users are usually happy to fit into whatever crowd they are looking for.
Probably and hopefully.Yeah I think psychologists have it right in their approach over time.
Haha I think a lot of opposing functions would cause rejection, if not other quirks unrelated to functions.
My brother thinks the same about his emotions, and he's an INTJ, but I suppose lots of people would come to that conclusion.
I prefer to talk out why I am having emotions if they are interfering with my day, so I can address them head on and they can lessen their effect on me. Though I don't know which type I am.
I'm the same way, reading neat theories in my spare time, not sure what function that is, I guess it would depend on how you approached it.
Most people agree that the cognitive functions develop in chronological order. So if you were an INTJ, you would mainly be focused on Ni as a child, then move on to Te, then Fi, Se (using and recognizing sensual data from the external world) would probably be a source of problems to you. Here is a link with the function order of each type.
I do indeed. But doesn't everyone have strong convictions about something one way or another?
I automatically know and then I have to control myself because the thoughts start flying at me really fast. It feels like it's true though, like I believe it about myself and I know when it's correct. It always is because it doesn't come when it's wrong for the most part.
I do that when I'm not under influence. And I regret it later if I was influenced and got out of the influence.
I think it's wrong but I still do it for specific reasons and I feel uncomfortable while in the group. There was a period where I didn't feel uncomfortable and that made me even more uncomfortable. Deep down, but I avoided it, so I didn't feel much, essentially.
I think I think in a similar pattern regarding most things.
When is it that you are under stress enough to start using you shadow process vs you tertiary and inferior functions?
I disagree to some extent because Te is applied thinking in a sense rather than linear thinking, I think it's more of a different pattern because it's not necessarily quality of work vs...speed? Although I get your point, I only look for results like a thorough Ti user when I'm very interested in the subject....but I'd use applied as well as linear thinking for that too....
I think I do that too. But I'm quite in control of emotions. Once I see the reason I'm usually not emotional. Unless it's an area where I'm specifically...tender? lol
Might not be a specific function itself but makes a function more likely. I wouldn't rely on it.
That's one of my problems. I have amnesia about my childhood!
There is a fine distinction between Fi and Ti values if there is any at all. Fi seems to have a mystical sort of value system where they know what is right and wrong for themselves without requiring understanding behind it to accept it, but may delve into Te to keep their values in check later. Fe seems to think the best value system is one of social norms and what benefits the majority, and may use Ti to fine-tune and recognize these values afterward.
Ti causes people to analyze and problem solve, and needs to understand the reason behind values before adopting any. When Ti is stronger or more focused on than Fe it may be difficult discern whether the values are personal or derived from group orientations, because they tend to think things out so much that the values take on Fi characteristics rather than basic social norms. When Te is greater than Fi they will focus on sorting, and finding practical use for things and look for outcomes then see how that fits into their personal value system. When Te is much stronger than Fi they may be so focused on external logic that their Fi values seem to be hidden.
Of course, you could find an example that seems to be from any function, but people online seem to think it's just a combination of your most used functions that mimic another function, which may very well be true. You can't take it too seriously, though, because supposedly Jung said he's even switched cognitive functions. But I haven't found the sources, just people around forums and blogs who probably got it from a book. Supposedly there's a video out there too where he says it. I don't know why it's not easily accessible.
I think it's an MBTI conspiracy to believe so strongly in these types lol. On the contrary, the cognitive function order seems to hold true for most people, and it could even be just human instinct to use the other functions at times. But anyway, this site is dedicated to group therapy and judging, so it's tough to find people who really want to understand thoroughly and help others.
Another way to go about typing yourself if the above didn't help you is to describe the stages in your life so far and what functions you seemed to focus on at the time. Many people seem to follow the order of development as well so that would be a start.
Excellent information. Do you have any good links to Cf development and what the types are like in different life stages? I saw one site once, but then couldn't find it or anything like it again.
This is the only link I've found and it's not a good one lol. http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/16Types/16Types.cfm
I wonder if the sites only give estimations. I know that I have a lot of young friends in their 20's that show their dominant to tertiary functions often. I think in high school though most people only use their first two well. So extrapolating from the common notion that the first function develops in childhood and the last around midlife unless pushed for another reason, then you could say people probably do well with developing their first three in a span of 3 decades. Then their last whenever they find it useful.
I think that the thinking functions would also cause people to hold values relative to what the functions represent.
The influence of others? What made you uncomfortable about it? The answer may give a lot of insight into how you approach groups. Also, do you think you are very emotionally expressive? Or do you tend to hide emotions from others? Or do you relate to emotions in a different way?
Thinking about the reason why you do things would be a great way to understand your personality better.
I wonder if people require T functions to use logic? Or if they require their F function to have emotions?
Or if logic and emotions are separate from cognitive functions and T/F functions are used for decision making alone. I've heard both so I'm not sure. How do you make decisions?
Do you consider what's the most logical choice? How you will feel about things? How others will feel about things? Somewhere in between?
From what I know Te is about linear thinking. What I meant was that the very general descriptions would be Te is about results, while Ti is about the process and Ti is also considered more abstract much like Fi.
The control of emotions might indicate Fi, or maybe just a pretty balanced person.
I think you would probably put your functions to use while doing it though. How do you go about studying? This is probably a good way to see which S or N function you rely on most.
Hahaha well that makes things more difficult!
This is the only link I've found and it's not a good one lol. http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/16Types/16Types.cfm
I wonder if the sites only give estimations. I know that I have a lot of young friends in their 20's that show their dominant to tertiary functions often. I think in high school though most people only use their first two well. So extrapolating from the common notion that the first function develops in childhood and the last around midlife unless pushed for another reason, then you could say people probably do well with developing their first three in a span of 3 decades. Then their last whenever they find it useful.