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Sorry - these are from posts several pages back; I'm still working my way through the thread. I needed to comment on these ...
The Je/Ji functions don't every really "do" anything, either.
I think of all functions as maps - even sometimes in the mathematical sense, as "mappings." The map/mapping is "how you approach things". The map doesn't change, I don't think, but rather we gradually become more adept at using it. And then the real magic happens when you realize that a whole bunch of stuff you were confused about is often due to other people having different maps.
I think it is useful to regard the functions separately. I interpret your sentence as saying "I think that's how [people with] Ni can get carried away with patterns."
Both Ni and Ne get carried away with patterns. The patterns that the different maps of Ne and Ni apt to see are very different patterns. Ne associates dispersed ideas with what is objectively in front of it. Ni synthesizes ideas based on diverse inputs (and NOT just Se inputs), applying patterns to subjective items inside one's head.
Ni and Se are both perceiving functions. They won't ever really "do" anything unless paired with judging functions, which obviously they are since functions don't operate in a vacuum. It is then someone's Je/Ji functions that provide this direction, guide Ni in positive directions, kick Se out of a rut, etc.
The Je/Ji functions don't every really "do" anything, either.
I think of all functions as maps - even sometimes in the mathematical sense, as "mappings." The map/mapping is "how you approach things". The map doesn't change, I don't think, but rather we gradually become more adept at using it. And then the real magic happens when you realize that a whole bunch of stuff you were confused about is often due to other people having different maps.
Yes, I believe the judgement function can be the initial step of providing the direction. However I think that some perception functions can sort of get carried away with patterns.
Example: When someone notices that their friend is telling a story, that they've told over and over beforehand.
I would think that's just perception saying "this person keeps telling this story again and again."
I think that's how Ni can get carried away with patterns...So it can almost become "Was it the chicken before the egg?" kind of dilema.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I want to understand the boundaries betweeen the functions better.
I think it is useful to regard the functions separately. I interpret your sentence as saying "I think that's how [people with] Ni can get carried away with patterns."
Both Ni and Ne get carried away with patterns. The patterns that the different maps of Ne and Ni apt to see are very different patterns. Ne associates dispersed ideas with what is objectively in front of it. Ni synthesizes ideas based on diverse inputs (and NOT just Se inputs), applying patterns to subjective items inside one's head.