Wow thanks for this. I can see by the negatives of what Gamma "rejects" why so many insist I'm an ESFp Gamma instead of an ISFp Alpha. I tend to embrace the realistic, confrontational interaction if its necessary, and become extremely frustrated with theoretical speculation that has nothing to do with facts/reality.
Great link. Thanks.
Hi conflictor! :hi:
Actually, I find that SLE, ESI, LSI, and even my supposed dual ESE tend to rub me more the wrong way than my supposed SEE conflictor. I know a couple of SEE people that repel me though. No not you, you're cool in my book.
I suppose it's possible I've mistyped myself but over on the socionics forum, the general consensus was LII and I do relate to most of the description. I think LII fits best but I have considered EII,
Quadra wise I'm having trouble deciding if I'm more alpha or delta. I lean ever so slightly towards alpha at this moment, which is consistent with LII. For one thing, unlike you, I don't embrace the realistic, confrontational interaction with others. I can do it if needed be, but it's by no means natural or comfortable for me. Second, I can speculate on theoretical things until the cows come home. For example, I discover a new theory like socionics, and before you know it, it takes over my mind and I tend to try to want to relate EVERYTHING to socionics. I have occasionally try to come back down to earth and say to myself "it's just a goddam theory." So that's why I think I'm alpha NT. Plus I'm quite introverted, so that means LII.
However, I'm far more serious than most alpha's are. I think though that being a rational and introverted type, makes me more serious in comparison to the other three alpha types. Regarding social groups, I relate to the Fi style seen in gamma and delta more. Again, maybe being an introvert has some influence on this. I prefer quieter, smaller groups rather than louder more boisterous ones.
I've had a hard time figuring out my socionics type. EII sounds like MBTI INFP e9 and IEI sounds like INFJ e4. So I feel stuck between them. And the functions don't help much, because they don't align with Jung, and I keep finding conflicting ideas of what they are in socionics.
As for quadras, I thought Delta might be closer to my style in that I'm serious, but then I looked at serious/merry distinctions & it stopped being as clear cut as I thought. I like a certain amount of absurdity & melodrama, which I contain because it's misunderstood in most contexts. So I haven't ruled out Beta yet either. It's hard to tell since I'm not very sociable over all.
But the intertype relations aspect of socionics keeps me wondering... MBTI doesn't cover that much.
Yeah, I'm kind of torn between quadras myself. For me it's between alpha and delta. I'm pretty sure I value Si and Ne. What's more confusing is whether or not I value Ti/Fe or Fi/Te more. Reading function descriptions, it seems like I value Ti and Fi but there's no quadra for that.
I view merry and serious as related to Fe and Fi respectively and I think it's easier if you view it this way. Merry types prefer open displays of emotion because it sustains the group atmosphere and I think an important aspect is how merry just like Fe, is inclusive. They seek people to become a part of the group as a collective experience because if you are an outsider you kind of ruin the atmosphere. This is the most emphasized among betas and somewhat among alphas.
I like a good group atmosphere but I kind of disagree with the notion that outsiders ruin it. If an outsider, wanted to join in, I'd accomodate the outsider, maybe changing the topic of discussion or suggesting an activity the outsider would be interested in. Also open to splitting into smaller groups, which is what gamma/delta is more inclined to do.
Then serious as related to Fi is rather the opposite, it's exclusive. Fi types gravitate towards less open displays of emotion especially when it comes to jokes, teasing and laughter. Furthermore, group participation is not expected as Fi types always gravitate towards those they find interesting talking to at the very moment due to shared interests, interesting conversation topics going on and so on. So indeed, merry and serious are noted the best in group settings.
I like joking, gentle teasing, and laughter but I definitely don't like it, if it ends up offending or making people uncomfortable. This is why heavily beta groups in particular can turn me off. Sometimes, they are too obnoxious and take the jokes too far. I also gravitate towards those who appear to be interesting to talk to, who might have similar interests.
It's rather easy to figure out as well because if you're the kind of person who rather just speak to a few people you know well and share your interests at a social gathering with many involved you are most likely a serious type, especially if loud laughter and jokes annoy you as well. If you're the kind of person who seeks inclusiveness when it comes to group participation and thinks that open expression of emotions and such is necessary and if it ruins the group atmosphere without it, you're probably merry.
I kind of lean towards serious in terms of group interaction but I'm not opposed to loud laughter and jokes. Only if they are offensive jokes or if too much of the humor relies on "inside jokes" so that outsiders or even newer group members end up feeling distanced. I prefer fewer to many but this could just be the introversion talking. I like some open expression of emotions- it's no fun if everyone is stoic but at the same time, too much emotional effusiveness puts me off guard as well as people spilling their life stories to people they barely know.
I also think that alphas and betas are the ones being the most likely to throw big social gatherings as well rather than small ones. Gamma and delta types only really invite those they truly care about or have a personal interest in. Alphas and betas will be more like "bring all your friends, your brothers and sisters and their friends" kind of thing.
I tend to relate more to gamma/delta again as well. I mostly invite only the people I care about and occasionally people I feel kind of obligated to invite. For example, if I was inviting a close friend, I'd probably invite their spouse as well even if I didn't know the spouse. But I wouldn't be the sort to just have friends invite all their friends, etc. Gets too big and too chaotic.
Again, I'm wondering if my relating more delta/gamma styles of social interaction in spite of self-typing as LII (an alpha type) is due to my strong introversion. I wonder if other introverted alphas and betas feel the same way and feel more at ease with smaller, lower-key groups?
Then again, I suppose it's possible, I've mistyped myself. I've also considered EII and ILI as possibilities.
I do think I'm more of a logical type. I'm not exactly skilled at the feeling type stuff the way socionics describes. I also, don't see myself as being a gamma, which ILI is. I'm pretty sure I value Si/Ne.
Thought about that already and I think the socionics quadras relate like this to each Harry Potter house:
Slytherin gamma
Ravenclaw delta
Hufflepuff alpha SF in particular
Gryffindor beta ST in particular
I identify with Ravenclaw the most with Hufflepuff a close second.
I admire Gryffindor's but I'm not really brave enough for them.
I don't relate much at all to Slytherin.
I think Ravenclaw would be LII, ILI, maybe some of the quieter ILEs and some EIIs
Hufflepuff, I think alpha SF works, also some EIIs and SLIs
I think beta ST could be either Slytherin or Gryffindor