Yeah that's the idea I was going for
Ah ok cool we are on the same page. Mind saying in what aspects I seem similar to your ESTP friend?
I see... I don't think you're an ESTP honestly. I can see bits and here that can perhaps be linked to Se (unless I'm blurring the lines between Se and Te), but you don't sound like a Pe dom to me. Especially with J and P being a close line of preference, it would make more sense for you to be a "Judging Dominant Perciever" or a "Sensing dominant judger", which is why I'd probably assert ISTP would make more sense?
Pe dom is more happy-go-lucky and relaxed about the task/goal than what I described, right? I agree that even if I was ESTP, I would have to be a really borderline case of the type. The thing though is I definitely don't fit any cookie-cutter type lol, I suppose it would be actually weird if I did.
BTW I originally said in my posts above that I excluded ESTP for myself because they are more social than me. Like they can "perform" for people in a way I'll just never do it. I just made myself open to consider it again because of the input from EJCC above.
Kind of? I was also sort of speaking to the "indulgence in comfort" aspect of Si that's sort of evasive of work and tasks because there is a preference for confort and relaxation, but still stick with ISTJ because they rely more heavily on building their logic pool based upon te external world rather than what they believe makes sense.
Ah OK, the thing is just that the ISTJ stereotype is pretty much of a dependable workaholic rather than being evasive of work and tasks... I've never read any ISTJ profile that talked about ISTJ being very indulgent in comfort actually. What they usually emphasise instead is how ISTJ finds putting in the effort very important.
I actually find effort important too, personally. If what I'm striving for has meaning for me, then I prove with my efforts that I actually do care enough for that meaning. If it's not as personal as that, but still some important achievement, then yeah again I see effort necessary and good. As part of that, I'll go and complete the particular task in the face of virtually any kind of discomfort just fine and I even like to defy circumstances like that. Other than that, I'm absolutely fine with getting deep in relaxing comfort here and there, but I can't imagine doing that all day except when I'm extra tired. It'd actually feel really unhealthy to slack like that all the time, like a feeling of how your body and mind are actually starting to disintegrate. And it would be aimless without a real purpose...
That and also sort of relates back to ISTJs that aren't great at time management or more inclined towards procrastination. You've downed improvising quite a bit now, that's another point against ESTP... If you use Se and Ti, you're Ti dom.
Ah ok, the thing is I do have some sortof seemingly improvising mode though but I already talked about that above. But yeah I'm not constantly in that mode so I suppose that excludes ESTP yeah? I can see how that would sound like Se aux though.
I'm fine with time management btw, I have a good sense for that, whenever I have a deadline, or for organising and optimising my day schedule when I want to get several things done. As for the procrastination, I actually don't like procrastination but when I'm too low energy, it just happens.
I was more so alluding to writing style... There's just certain "tone qualities" that run along type patterns and yours didn't seem ESTJ-esque. Typically they have a bit more of a direct and commanding style of speech where you just sound... Chill? Maybe a bit formal? (sorry this is a super stupid explanation bear with me)
Ah no worries, it didn't sound stupid.
I see. This is pretty relatable, I'm not sure where it would lie type wise exactly.
Yeah I don't know if it's a J/P thing or something else... I'd be interested in understanding more on how the heck this works though.
No, they have non-existent Fe issues. TPs have Fe, but poor control usage and control over that, so it causes them issues. TJs just don't have it at all.
Hmmm what's a non-existent Fe issue like?
Do TPs (esp IxTP) ever feel that using Fe is too fake? I.e. if they had to actively use Fe, would it ever feel too fake or jarring in any way?
I used to know an ESTP who wanted me to use Fe like them, and that definitely felt fake and overdone to me.
Like, since Ti is focused on defining things, they become somewhat categorical in nature and, to create structure, they tend to separate things that really might not need that level of categorization (ie. Work and play cannot mix). Thinking further though, I don't think that's necessarily exclusive to Ti.
OK, for me I dunno if it's about categorising, but for sure it's too much of a different mode or mood or whatever. It doesn't feel neat enough either which is why I said it feels too unstructured. Like... I decided I'll be doing this task now, so let me go and do it, and switching around like that would violate that focus and determination and the "plan" overall. So I just don't like to switch like that. Mainly I don't like to switch to play from work. If I'm done with work I still have to kinda wind down first.
Hmm I see. You're really hard to type tbh. I don't think ISTP is too far off but I might run through this a second time to see if I can get any more out of this...
Oh OK, and really thanks for all this!