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I have problem in my professional life. I would like to discuss it here. I would be happy if other do care to read this and happier if others gave comments, suggestion/advice to my professional life problem. I did have tried to come up with solution. I have been firstly trying to uncover general principles applicable in professional life. However, I have got stuck on how I as an individual will be able to face it. Studying typology autodidactly and seriously is actually another endeavor, which is part of it. I have decided to bring this problem in this typology forum where the members are interested in the discussion, since I am having a hard time trying to find others in the real life to discuss with. My thread will be containing stories, and may be some theory or principle or policy that I think is relevant in professional life, debatable issues in job problem, griefs (perhaps). You may find the same case in your professional working environment also.
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2010
The first time I became a professional worker, I worked as an intern in a bank for an Accounting Project. I was so confident after graduation, that I felt I had already understood at all of how company was managed, since I have already studied it theoretically at university. However, A lot of financial theories that I learnt from the university seem could not applied directly to my assigned position. I was placed in operation division of a bank in which it turned out I felt I wasn't familiar enough. Sometimes I even felt that the knowledge that I have learnt was not really useful to situation. In the bank, I was demmaded to deal with with a lot of transaction data (1 year of transactions, but had to be completed within months) that I had to calculate in some financial fashion. I felt the data were too many and it was too cumbersome for me to process manually. I couldn’t just process it manually. Nevertheless, I was not well equipped with sufficient software practical skill of data processing. I felt that, in order to perform the job well, the employee that should be hired is someone who is able to perform such skill. I felt that understandings of theory are not really needed for the job. They need someone who is able to perform data processing with fast speed, using excel.
But I keep working there for months since, for the reason why I was there working was because of money.
There was another a paid intern who was very well versed with microsoft excel. With her skill, it was faster for her to process a lot of transactions calculation. She was even asked to teach other intern that had some difficulty how to opearate it, including me. After having been introduced with MBTI in 2014-Now, I have identified her as a female ESTJ. But, Before it, in 2010, I couldn’t even identify what her type was, since at that time, I hadn’t been introduced to the MBTI. I felt that the position doesn't really need vast theoretical knowledge that I had been taught at university. I even felt that the bank for the project only need a high school graduate. As long as they are able use spreadsheet and they have the sufficient energy to process a lot of data, with some short training, they will be able to perform the job. That was a lot of work to do. There was one day, when the intern and me had to go home in arround 02.00 a.m, I could see that she could still smile; what a career woman she is!, while I was exhausted. I felt that I was much weaker than her for the job. When I remember this, I think She possessed the necessary energy that I do not have.
I wasn't really well versed in using spreadsheet for data processing. Before joining the bank, I was already aware that MS. Exl enables people in processing a lot of data, but I wasn't interested in studying it. However, I do not feel that I regret that microsoft excel data processing skill, with advance command like insert complex formula, pivot table, etc should have been mastered by me before joining the bank. Until now, I do not pursue by learning to have a practical skill in data processing by MS excel although it could mean that it is predictable that I won’t be hired in a bank in operation division.
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Professing as a Journalist
I used to be a journalist who worked for an economic magazines and I was required to write report news and articles in economic based topics. In my experience as a research-analyst and reporter for the magazine, I was required to interview a lot of "important person like a CEO" and write based on the interview. To record the conversation, I had to use voice recorder and re-listen to it while composing articles.
An Overwhelmed “Yes Man†I Had Become
I had become “Yes Man†that I agreed to finish the additional tasks given but it turned out I was actually overwhelmed and in the end quitted my job.
When I was working in A magazine, I was assigned as a researcher. But the Editor in Chief told me also to do some journalistic report like attending press conference, writing articles, writing book review. Writing article in journalistic has to be done in hurry, since the deadline is very thight whereas, research has also lots of work to do. I just couldn’t handle both.
Too Demmanding Boss
I was unlucky to have a demanding boss, A boss that likes to add more work, when one work has already assigned. He may have felt that because I had already been paid, I was obliged to finish more work. Under a professional contract, we can be judged behaving unprofessionally when we reject tasks, assignments, works, because the employer already agreed to pay us, and we have accepted it as a deal, as a professional. The Boss seemed to never care much whether I, as an employee whether I had been burned out, as he may have never realized it as a problem. I did not stay long (only 7 months) working as a journalist & researcher as I finally quitted. Before leaving the office, I should have said: “boss you asked too muchâ€, but I didn’t.
Evaluation
I am not really enthusiastic in work as a writer for a newspaper, a magazine or other mass media like television, radio, since the journalists have to write for their readers while I am only willing to write for myself for learning purposes. The second is that, the time span of journalistic writing are only useful for a short term, while I'd like to create a long term one. I would like to see my writing make a long lasting effect for my reader. It could be academic type of writing. Taking lesson from what I have experienced before, I was not really satisfied with the articles that I wrote for the magazine. If I had to work as a reporter again, I think that I can only hold a reporter-journalistic career only for a short term.
Suitable Type for Journalistic Career
The Meeting the deadline problem in journalistic career will be more easily responded Spontaneusly By Introverted Judging Type. The reason is that they don’t plan. May be they doubt that execution will always successfully follow the plan anyway, so planning could be pointless for them. I remember that my friend say that life is just flowing like water. They do not stick to the plan. When water is put into a bucket, the shape will be like bucket. When water is put into a glass, the shape of the water will follow the glass.
Q: What type of person do I think ideally suitable for holding journalistic career for a long term?
A: ENFP (Economics, Business Journalistics), ENTP (Politics Journalist), ESTP (Travel, and Sports Journalistics), ESFP (Fashion, Travel Journalistic).
For a long term career, the Psychological Types that I think is more suitable for holding the career is a personality type with Extroverted Intuition dominant energy functions like ENFP and ENTP. It seems that they are gifted with the intuitive outer world objectively orientated extroversion psyhcic energy. Extroverted Feeler psychic type feels energized if they interact with people. They will be able to work for a long time with people than if they work alone. It seems that they are naturally pay attention to person's word and expect other to do the same. Although I cannot tell just yet whether that the type memory of Extroverted Feeler is verbatim utterance of a person, it seems that they do have the gift of the person utterance verbatim memory. They are able to repeat person words from memory even in verbatim utterances.
The company that they work for will tend to be satisfied with what they do, as What they write is simply "sellable" at the moment and they are able keep doing it. They tend to attract other companies to advertise as their opinion tend to attract attention of many people. Because business media revenue ccomes from advertisement. Larger attention that they get, should be followed by more ads sales revenue for them.
Recruiter May have Mistakenly Chosen Me But Blame Should Also be Addressed to Me Since I Accepted the Job Offer
Previous years ago, I met a person who was only high school graduated that is placed as a senior executives in a market research company. He started his career from cleaning service position in the company. But, recently, he was promoted to a senior executives positions in recruitment. He already assigned to the position when I worked there. The later is a much more respected position in the company more than cleaning services, the position that he previously assigned to. He is able to operate microsoft access, a software who is able to store and retrieve a large databases. When it is applied in Recruitment Management, the software serves as a machine that provides the basis of fact of person spesific that can be used as the basis of basic Administration of recruitment management: Sourcing Candidate, Recruiting, payroll etc.
Compared to me, who is university graduated, he is much better in operating microsoft access. Therefore, He is much ready than I am when having to deal with person spesific facts. Theory is not really needed when working in such position.
They may have chosen a wrong person. An example is that tertiary education that is commonly required in big corporations sometimes are not really needed. Someone who holds a tertiary educational degree may not be strong enough in engaging in a job because he/she is simply doesn’t have the correct psychics energy for the job.
Got Contract as BA but Work as a Translator and Tourist Guide
The role that was assigned to me administratively while still working at IT consulting was Business Analyst, but my supervisor told me to do another job: translating project documents written in Bahasa into English. They did this because they, Filipino expatriates, couldn't speak Bahasa well. They can only speak Tagalog and English. Actually this role and work was not in line with the role of the Business Analyst given by HRD. If they need a translator, they should hire translators / translators from outside the organization or they use a third party / vendor who works for the company. But, at that time, I played the role first. But this did not continue. My contract ended, in fact the employer has expected to extend "as he Said", but I think this job has a double role: BA and translator. I hesitate to extend.
An additional Tourist Guide Role
I was once underestimated my talent of English proficiency, even after, my former boss at IT consulting from the Philiphine treated me as if I was a tourist guide whereas according to the contract, I was hired as an analyst. He asked me to talk to local residents in Padang who couldn’t speak English and translate what they talk to him in the evening. In my opinion, first, It is out of the job description. Well, I Should have charged him a tourist guide fee for the service. Second, It was out of office hours. He should have given me overtime fee. But I was tied with the position given in the contract. How commercial I am!
Real Estate Broker
I joined real estate broker as an associate. I was optimistic that I would be able to do the job. The job was physicaly demanding. Majority, it is executed outdoor. As a broker we need to search some clients that wishes to find buyers/leasee for their property. We are not paid based on salary. We are paid based on commission only on successful sales. But, just recently it seemed that the principal who owned the frenchise may be unwilling to extend their frenchise contract. He decided to close the office. But having undergone the work of real estate broker, and learnt psychic energy, I do not recommend it for myself. I recommend it for ESFP, ESTP, ENTJ, ENFJ.
I have problem in my professional life. I would like to discuss it here. I would be happy if other do care to read this and happier if others gave comments, suggestion/advice to my professional life problem. I did have tried to come up with solution. I have been firstly trying to uncover general principles applicable in professional life. However, I have got stuck on how I as an individual will be able to face it. Studying typology autodidactly and seriously is actually another endeavor, which is part of it. I have decided to bring this problem in this typology forum where the members are interested in the discussion, since I am having a hard time trying to find others in the real life to discuss with. My thread will be containing stories, and may be some theory or principle or policy that I think is relevant in professional life, debatable issues in job problem, griefs (perhaps). You may find the same case in your professional working environment also.
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2010
The first time I became a professional worker, I worked as an intern in a bank for an Accounting Project. I was so confident after graduation, that I felt I had already understood at all of how company was managed, since I have already studied it theoretically at university. However, A lot of financial theories that I learnt from the university seem could not applied directly to my assigned position. I was placed in operation division of a bank in which it turned out I felt I wasn't familiar enough. Sometimes I even felt that the knowledge that I have learnt was not really useful to situation. In the bank, I was demmaded to deal with with a lot of transaction data (1 year of transactions, but had to be completed within months) that I had to calculate in some financial fashion. I felt the data were too many and it was too cumbersome for me to process manually. I couldn’t just process it manually. Nevertheless, I was not well equipped with sufficient software practical skill of data processing. I felt that, in order to perform the job well, the employee that should be hired is someone who is able to perform such skill. I felt that understandings of theory are not really needed for the job. They need someone who is able to perform data processing with fast speed, using excel.
But I keep working there for months since, for the reason why I was there working was because of money.
There was another a paid intern who was very well versed with microsoft excel. With her skill, it was faster for her to process a lot of transactions calculation. She was even asked to teach other intern that had some difficulty how to opearate it, including me. After having been introduced with MBTI in 2014-Now, I have identified her as a female ESTJ. But, Before it, in 2010, I couldn’t even identify what her type was, since at that time, I hadn’t been introduced to the MBTI. I felt that the position doesn't really need vast theoretical knowledge that I had been taught at university. I even felt that the bank for the project only need a high school graduate. As long as they are able use spreadsheet and they have the sufficient energy to process a lot of data, with some short training, they will be able to perform the job. That was a lot of work to do. There was one day, when the intern and me had to go home in arround 02.00 a.m, I could see that she could still smile; what a career woman she is!, while I was exhausted. I felt that I was much weaker than her for the job. When I remember this, I think She possessed the necessary energy that I do not have.
I wasn't really well versed in using spreadsheet for data processing. Before joining the bank, I was already aware that MS. Exl enables people in processing a lot of data, but I wasn't interested in studying it. However, I do not feel that I regret that microsoft excel data processing skill, with advance command like insert complex formula, pivot table, etc should have been mastered by me before joining the bank. Until now, I do not pursue by learning to have a practical skill in data processing by MS excel although it could mean that it is predictable that I won’t be hired in a bank in operation division.
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Professing as a Journalist
I used to be a journalist who worked for an economic magazines and I was required to write report news and articles in economic based topics. In my experience as a research-analyst and reporter for the magazine, I was required to interview a lot of "important person like a CEO" and write based on the interview. To record the conversation, I had to use voice recorder and re-listen to it while composing articles.
An Overwhelmed “Yes Man†I Had Become
I had become “Yes Man†that I agreed to finish the additional tasks given but it turned out I was actually overwhelmed and in the end quitted my job.
When I was working in A magazine, I was assigned as a researcher. But the Editor in Chief told me also to do some journalistic report like attending press conference, writing articles, writing book review. Writing article in journalistic has to be done in hurry, since the deadline is very thight whereas, research has also lots of work to do. I just couldn’t handle both.
Too Demmanding Boss
I was unlucky to have a demanding boss, A boss that likes to add more work, when one work has already assigned. He may have felt that because I had already been paid, I was obliged to finish more work. Under a professional contract, we can be judged behaving unprofessionally when we reject tasks, assignments, works, because the employer already agreed to pay us, and we have accepted it as a deal, as a professional. The Boss seemed to never care much whether I, as an employee whether I had been burned out, as he may have never realized it as a problem. I did not stay long (only 7 months) working as a journalist & researcher as I finally quitted. Before leaving the office, I should have said: “boss you asked too muchâ€, but I didn’t.
Evaluation
I am not really enthusiastic in work as a writer for a newspaper, a magazine or other mass media like television, radio, since the journalists have to write for their readers while I am only willing to write for myself for learning purposes. The second is that, the time span of journalistic writing are only useful for a short term, while I'd like to create a long term one. I would like to see my writing make a long lasting effect for my reader. It could be academic type of writing. Taking lesson from what I have experienced before, I was not really satisfied with the articles that I wrote for the magazine. If I had to work as a reporter again, I think that I can only hold a reporter-journalistic career only for a short term.
Suitable Type for Journalistic Career
The Meeting the deadline problem in journalistic career will be more easily responded Spontaneusly By Introverted Judging Type. The reason is that they don’t plan. May be they doubt that execution will always successfully follow the plan anyway, so planning could be pointless for them. I remember that my friend say that life is just flowing like water. They do not stick to the plan. When water is put into a bucket, the shape will be like bucket. When water is put into a glass, the shape of the water will follow the glass.
Q: What type of person do I think ideally suitable for holding journalistic career for a long term?
A: ENFP (Economics, Business Journalistics), ENTP (Politics Journalist), ESTP (Travel, and Sports Journalistics), ESFP (Fashion, Travel Journalistic).
For a long term career, the Psychological Types that I think is more suitable for holding the career is a personality type with Extroverted Intuition dominant energy functions like ENFP and ENTP. It seems that they are gifted with the intuitive outer world objectively orientated extroversion psyhcic energy. Extroverted Feeler psychic type feels energized if they interact with people. They will be able to work for a long time with people than if they work alone. It seems that they are naturally pay attention to person's word and expect other to do the same. Although I cannot tell just yet whether that the type memory of Extroverted Feeler is verbatim utterance of a person, it seems that they do have the gift of the person utterance verbatim memory. They are able to repeat person words from memory even in verbatim utterances.
The company that they work for will tend to be satisfied with what they do, as What they write is simply "sellable" at the moment and they are able keep doing it. They tend to attract other companies to advertise as their opinion tend to attract attention of many people. Because business media revenue ccomes from advertisement. Larger attention that they get, should be followed by more ads sales revenue for them.
Recruiter May have Mistakenly Chosen Me But Blame Should Also be Addressed to Me Since I Accepted the Job Offer
Previous years ago, I met a person who was only high school graduated that is placed as a senior executives in a market research company. He started his career from cleaning service position in the company. But, recently, he was promoted to a senior executives positions in recruitment. He already assigned to the position when I worked there. The later is a much more respected position in the company more than cleaning services, the position that he previously assigned to. He is able to operate microsoft access, a software who is able to store and retrieve a large databases. When it is applied in Recruitment Management, the software serves as a machine that provides the basis of fact of person spesific that can be used as the basis of basic Administration of recruitment management: Sourcing Candidate, Recruiting, payroll etc.
Compared to me, who is university graduated, he is much better in operating microsoft access. Therefore, He is much ready than I am when having to deal with person spesific facts. Theory is not really needed when working in such position.
They may have chosen a wrong person. An example is that tertiary education that is commonly required in big corporations sometimes are not really needed. Someone who holds a tertiary educational degree may not be strong enough in engaging in a job because he/she is simply doesn’t have the correct psychics energy for the job.
Got Contract as BA but Work as a Translator and Tourist Guide
The role that was assigned to me administratively while still working at IT consulting was Business Analyst, but my supervisor told me to do another job: translating project documents written in Bahasa into English. They did this because they, Filipino expatriates, couldn't speak Bahasa well. They can only speak Tagalog and English. Actually this role and work was not in line with the role of the Business Analyst given by HRD. If they need a translator, they should hire translators / translators from outside the organization or they use a third party / vendor who works for the company. But, at that time, I played the role first. But this did not continue. My contract ended, in fact the employer has expected to extend "as he Said", but I think this job has a double role: BA and translator. I hesitate to extend.
An additional Tourist Guide Role
I was once underestimated my talent of English proficiency, even after, my former boss at IT consulting from the Philiphine treated me as if I was a tourist guide whereas according to the contract, I was hired as an analyst. He asked me to talk to local residents in Padang who couldn’t speak English and translate what they talk to him in the evening. In my opinion, first, It is out of the job description. Well, I Should have charged him a tourist guide fee for the service. Second, It was out of office hours. He should have given me overtime fee. But I was tied with the position given in the contract. How commercial I am!
Real Estate Broker
I joined real estate broker as an associate. I was optimistic that I would be able to do the job. The job was physicaly demanding. Majority, it is executed outdoor. As a broker we need to search some clients that wishes to find buyers/leasee for their property. We are not paid based on salary. We are paid based on commission only on successful sales. But, just recently it seemed that the principal who owned the frenchise may be unwilling to extend their frenchise contract. He decided to close the office. But having undergone the work of real estate broker, and learnt psychic energy, I do not recommend it for myself. I recommend it for ESFP, ESTP, ENTJ, ENFJ.
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