I haven't read your questionnaires yet, but I just wanted to pop in and say that I think you're getting inaccurate input on Fe vs Fi in this thread. ENFPs don't like to look illogical/wrong in front of others. Having tertiary Te means that they often like to "think out loud" to process their thoughts. When combined with an appearance of self-doubt or emotionality, people love to scream "Fe," although that may not be correct. Also, having PoLR Ti means that they don't really have an internally consistent logical process. They might be confident on the logic about their self-typing one day, and then a week later proclaim confidently to see things a totally different way. If called out on it, they'll likely be a little embarrassed about looking flakey or "stupid." Their minds can easily see different possibilities for one truth, so it can be hard for them to settle on a type. An unhealthy ENFP, particularly an image type (2, 3, 4), may be more actively defensive/openly emotional about how they see themselves in a moment. And ENFPs are actually prone to moments of over-sharing followed by a feeling of "maybe I shouldn't have shared that." It doesn't mean they prefer Fe.
So. Having finally read everything, this is what I was able to get from it:
1. .... you're an overachiever
2. You're a 7 poster child.
3. I think I understand why your friends say they tire just by watching you
4. I wanna discuss midichlorians with you.
5. Your type is REALLY hard to pin down. I have NO idea what your inferior function could be, usually that one is painfully obvious. I see more Fe than Fi (or maybe it is like Peter said and it just looks Fe), more Ne than Ni, I see no Te but some signs of Ti, and didn't notice anything particular about the sensing functions. Maybe low Si. Which... doesn't help in any way. I'm sorry.
Have you ever considered ESFJ/ENTP?
Have you ever considered ESFJ/ENTP?
ENTP is a definite possibility. I can make a case for how I could be any Extroverted personality type, which in and of itself seems very ENTP.
I originally had a knee-jerk rejection of the idea, because I don't ALWAYS enjoy playing devil's advocate or debating an issue. However, when it's done in the right spirit, I love it. I can easily see things from all sides. Friends would often call me just to help them justify something they wanted to do but knew they shouldn't, like skip a class or put off an important task. I can find a legitimate reason for just about any behavior. I often avoid debate because it puts so many people off, and I don't enjoy conflict other than in the right atmosphere.
The other descriptions sound so very much like me. "An odd juxtaposition arises with ENTPs, as they are uncompromisingly honest, but will argue tirelessly for something they don’t actually believe in, stepping into another’s shoes to argue a truth from another perspective." This is me.
And the bit about rules. Seriously. Someone asked my mom if I was a rule-follower or a rule-breaker. Her response? "She makes her own rules. Always has." If a rule makes sense to me, I become its biggest supporter/enforcer. If a rule doesn't make sense to me, it doesn't exist to me. There are ways to circumvent it and stay within legal bounds. I'm not always a rebel or the underdog, but it does bring something out in me.
And I am practically the poster child for the concept of coming up with ideas and planning them, but needing someone else to do the grunt work. I don't do grunt work unless I cannot avoid it. I even mentioned in the questionnaires that I need a personal assistant to put all my pieces together.
I think you seem like an ENTP from the way you communicate.
ENTP is a definite possibility. I can make a case for how I could be any Extroverted personality type, which in and of itself seems very ENTP.
I originally had a knee-jerk rejection of the idea, because I don't ALWAYS enjoy playing devil's advocate or debating an issue. However, when it's done in the right spirit, I love it. I can easily see things from all sides. Friends would often call me just to help them justify something they wanted to do but knew they shouldn't, like skip a class or put off an important task. I can find a legitimate reason for just about any behavior. I often avoid debate because it puts so many people off, and I don't enjoy conflict other than in the right atmosphere.
The other descriptions sound so very much like me. "An odd juxtaposition arises with ENTPs, as they are uncompromisingly honest, but will argue tirelessly for something they don’t actually believe in, stepping into another’s shoes to argue a truth from another perspective." This is me.
And the bit about rules. Seriously. Someone asked my mom if I was a rule-follower or a rule-breaker. Her response? "She makes her own rules. Always has." If a rule makes sense to me, I become its biggest supporter/enforcer. If a rule doesn't make sense to me, it doesn't exist to me. There are ways to circumvent it and stay within legal bounds. I'm not always a rebel or the underdog, but it does bring something out in me.
And I am practically the poster child for the concept of coming up with ideas and planning them, but needing someone else to do the grunt work. I don't do grunt work unless I cannot avoid it. I even mentioned in the questionnaires that I need a personal assistant to put all my pieces together.
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ESFJ is more off-putting to me. I've never been popular with the general population. Within my circles, I'm very popular. I don't mind the spotlight, but don't care for public recognition. I appreciate beauty and fashion, but don't focus on it for myself.
It also doesn't fit as I'm not so much a rule-follower. I have a personal ethical standard, but not all rules are necessary, in my opinion. I also tend to stay out of other people's business. Live and let live. I'm not big on standing judge over another.
I do love to be of service, but so do other types.
I am mostly conflict-adverse and the social aspects of ESFJ do seem to fit me better than some other types.
Can anyone with more experience, knowledge, etc please help me?
Back in college, I took a psychology class about personalities. We were all administered the MBTI by a professional. I tested as ENFx, and he said I was most likely ENFJ.
Since that time, I've taken countless MBTI test and have always presented as ENFP. I just figured he was wrong in his assessment. So many online tests can't be wrong, can they?
Fast forward 20 years. I was active in an MBTI Facebook group. Someone posted a "fun" thread where people posted a picture of themselves to let others guess what type they were based on the photo. I was skeptical, as I think it would be nearly impossible to type someone based on a single photo. I posted a goofy pic and the person came back and said I was definitely either ESFJ or ENFJ. I giggled and said no, thinking I was being reasonable. I ended up being really offended by the OP's manner. She was very condescending with her comments. I told her she was wrong and she told me she was so sorry that I had mistyped myself for so long. At one point she said, "Oh God, please don't tell me you identify as ENFP?!" I starting posting very defensively. She had hurt my feelings and I didn't know how to react other than to point out that she didn't even know me and was basing her opinion of very limited information. Instead of agreeing with me, everyone else who saw the post agreed with her. One comment I remember was, "This is the most Fe defense I've ever heard in my life!" I actually sat in my computer chair and cried. It's difficult to admit that out loud, but she really got to me. I deleted the photo and all the comments I had made, and subsequently left the group. I was so humiliated, and partly because I suspected she was right and didn't know how to proceed.
I started doing more research into dominant types. I tested and, again, got ENFP...but I noticed the E and F scores were really high. Like VERY high. The N and P scores were much lower. I took some tests on cognitive functions and came to realize my Fe is really high. So I began to believe I was ENFJ, like the personality-professional-psychologist guy had told me ages ago.
Then I discovered Socionics. And tested IEE. I rolled my eyes, assuming it was typing me wrong just like the MBTI. So I looked at which type seemed to correspond with what I thought was my MBTI, but it didn't sound right until I added the subtype. I thought I was EIE - Ni.
I took some more tests after I found this forum, and it has me questioning everything. One of the tests typed me as ESFP (MBTI)
I know I'm weird and a bit of an enigma. I don't think there is one type that fits me perfectly. Some aspects of every type resonate with me. This is normal. I just hate not being able to figure out what I am.
Enneagram is easier for me, since it mostly comes down to what motivates me. I know that better than anyone. I'm definitely 7w8, although I also have a bit of the 6 wing as well. 3w2 resonated with me as well, though I don't think it's my primary type.
You're ENFP and ESFJ, in that order. Your enneagram sub-wing is 6w7. You may be playful and creative at times, and a bit of an emotional chameleon; and at other times, more serious and responsible.
I'd be interested to know what made you choose ESFJ. I don't have a problem with it, I just want to know what made you arrive at that decision.
I've been doing some deeper research into the cognitive functions. I actually think I'm ENTP.
Why not? I'm not being argumentative or assuming I'm correct, I just wanna understand your reasoning.Then there's no point in me continuing.
Why not? I'm not being argumentative or assuming I'm correct, I just wanna understand your reasoning.
I made my last post before I saw your post, so forgive me.It sounds like you've made up your mind. My reasoning is based on the test scores. You've reported a lot of tests, including some enneagram, and I'm averaging them out statistically.
It sounds like you've made up your mind. My reasoning is based on the test scores. You've reported a lot of tests, including some enneagram, and I'm averaging them out statistically.