Is it fair to attribute the attitude and quote of "Do as I say, not as I do" to the ExxJ personalities?
Are you asking if it's fair to attribute hypocrisy to the EJs? I say no. Any type can hold that attitude and not express it.
Last words as in "we're going to close this before it gets out of hand"?That sounds like a closer to me.
Any last words for this thread?
I have a little counter saying too.Dunno, but you can say it of me quite often. I know it well enough, that I've translated it into Latin and used it as a tongue in cheek motto for years (non ut faco sed ut dico facite).
Thing is, someone not doing a good thing themselves, doesn't make the suggestion that you do so invalid or unhelpful, or any less worth taking on board. edit - in fact, it might make the 'hypocrite' all the more qualified to advise you, since s/he knows very well the consequences of not following this piece of advice!!
It's like a good tennis coach. He might not be able to win a Grand Slam himself, but if you want to, you'd better listen to him.
Exactly. The situations I have in mind are more when they say to you "you should really do it this way as it helps you dot all the 'i's and cross all the 't's" but when you point out that they have just skipped half of that process the response comes back "ah well yes but that' because I know what I'm doing". It was something I spotted in specific with my father in fact "do as I say, not as I do" was one of his quotes.I think the word 'hypocrite' is bandied about too loosely, too. Someone just not being able to manage to always live as they believe they should, someone being human and falling for temptation now and again, though usually not meaning to and being sorry about it - that doesn't make someone a hypocrite. I've heard people use the word to describe someone who's just quite simply made a mistake, say, an oversight.
Somebody who makes a lifestyle of telling other people how to behave whilst, say, abusing their wife/kids or just being a real terror to the people they live with, also as a lifestyle - that's a hypocrite.
Someone telling people not to drop litter and accidentally dropping a Snickers wrapper, is not a hypocrite. Someone who gives someone else advice to avoid judging people, but who sometimes makes hasty judgements themselves, is not a hypocrite. It's just a human being.
My ESTP father used to say that.Is it fair to attribute the attitude and quote of "Do as I say, not as I do" to the ExxJ personalities?
Odd. Both the ESxPs I know show very little control over anything. It's almost as if control is a foreign concept. Of course put them behind a wheel and they soon change but with drivers it seems everyone is a critic.My ESTP father used to say that.
I would think that ESPs have the least amount of "control" over themselves.
Oh it wasn't so much what they were intending by the statement, more the duality that they see something as the best way to do a thing and yet they themselves do not do it. It's almost as if their focus is entirely external at points so they don't see their own actions in reference to this ideal which they have set down for others.Granted, INTJMom has a point. Bossiness, which I don't consider a trait so much as a flaw, is matter of control that seems to be wielded by various and sundry types.
Oh it wasn't so much what they were intending by the statement, more the duality that they see something as the best way to do a thing and yet they themselves do not do it. It's almost as if their focus is entirely external at points so they don't see their own actions in reference to this ideal which they have set down for others.
Oh the ENFJ one I've seen tends to be moreI can get behind this description entirely. You're very astute. I can admit to doing that from time to time.