I recognize the notion of short term aggression as a response to repeated provocation, aka, the bitchslap.
I also embrace the notion of being willing to take on armies, fight to the end of time and never give up or give in, if in defense of those who are weaker or are being abused. The strength I feel is this situation is endless and enormous. Like a jedi knight or zena, the warrior princess, or like an ancient knight fighting an evil foe, I will not be defetaed and allow others to be hurt....
However I cant hold anger or vengence on my own behalf very well:
i feel the same...it does feel toxic. it takes too much energy to sustain that negative emotional state.
^^This is totally true. It just is exhausting. I can almost always put the situation into a new perspective and then see how I had a role in the negative outcome, and see how the other did what they (typically) felt to be the right thing-and I may be hurt but I cant feel a need for vengence or a desire to hold negative thoughts about them. I suspect I have built a reflection of them into my own FiSi, a simulation so to speak, so to continue to hurt them, is to hurt myself, a very painful thing.
I do note uprising of sporadic feelings of nasty angstfulness towards others who endlessly pick on me, but I try really, really hard to ignore this and move on, as typically I did piss them off at some point.
- there are actually a lot of exceptions, they're called psychopaths and they're actually relatively common (something like %1-3 of the population)
true but
- good luck out-veangencing a psycopath
- especially another Ne dom psychopath with no fi limitation lol
Intutively, at a visceral level, I can "feel" what [MENTION=5684]Elfboy[/MENTION] is talking about.
(Ti/Fe please ignore the following statements as they are inapplicable to you guys)
There are people in the world who have disregarded and cut themselves free from moral bindings. Once this has happened, they no longer can feel the result of thier actions upon others and can create terrible harm on others. They often act out of rage or domination or out of feelings of moral exclusion (ie "those people" should not be felt for, as they are not part of "my" social group) or out of a coldness that springs from years of abuse.
When this happens, the best answer is that they need to be eliminated or isolated from the rest of society. This sounds horrifically harsh and I admit that it is. However if these people are allowed to continue to co-exist, they prey upon others and can inflict terrible harm. My heart says that all people can change and grow and that simply love can expediate that process-however sometimes the damage is too far gone and people are too fucked up. ( I say this as a person who sufferred at the hands of abusive individuals) One-on-one, as an individual, perhaps you could change them. Perhaps as a society, we should be obligated to identify them and help them (which we fail at now). However in the interim, if an individual is inflicting massive harm to others around them (tyrants or abusive individuals), then I support them being killed and would be willing to do so myself, if it would save the lives of many others....perhaps even one other? I dunno.
This isnt vengence, so much as Fi fueled cold rightousness. A cold burning fury? If anyone should hurt my children or those very close to me? There would be no greater fury to be felt.
(Hysterically, the idea of joining the military or CIA has become somewhat appealing to me in my old age and I find Hunter Harrington to be quite admirable. I feel honor bound.)
I also think this sense of cold burning rightousness actually can create martrys/suicidal terrorists-if you expose an enfp to enough trama as a child and it can become fuel for a sense of rightousness, they simply look for a cause to sacrifice themselves for, if they think it will resolve the pain others feel. Thus the trick to dealing with a terrorist is to first acknowledge and affirm thier values, then approach them logically with data and remedy the pain the "others" are feeling.