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I cannot ruthlessly cut out extraneous information and come up with a proper outline, even though I am fabulous at doing it with anyone else's work. This has caused me incredible amounts of time, stress and headache. I also have great difficulties summarizing the plot of a movie etc. Is this Ni-Ti? If so, what function would be the one that would help pull me out of that loop?
I have seen NeTi folks do this, but more vocally. They cant talk through an idea without sharing every single tiny Ti detail. I have coached several of them to add a summary sentence every five sentences, or they will loose the Te users who fund their projects. But feeding into Ni? I dunno how that works..
Really stressed INFJs either become kinda mean or they can be rather odd and persnickity.
Aphrodite, I didnt quote but could you be using Fe to manage the household? I am going to comment on the ISFJs in a sec, but they use Fe like Te to run organizations.
Hmm... Now I find myself mulling over the ISFJ loop, which includes the same functions in the opposing direction: Si-Ti.
Both loops focus on defending themselves from external forces that seek to overwhelm either the Ti understanding or Si perception of the world. Ti defends itself by supposedly leaping to Si, retreating into the world as it has been known and drawing its sense of the world from those familiar experiences. Si defends itself by dropping into rational Ti support for its perception... without widening the scope of its perception, so all the rationalizing might be thorough but is all self-justifying and within experience scope. This is similar in some ways, I suppose, except I think the two types still have different foundations depending on which function leads.
If INTPs supposedly break out of this by resorting to Ne (Intuition), then the theory would also say that ISFJ's would break out of this by Fe (values). Is this plausible or sensible? What would it look like? Does it mean one should not expect ISFJ to recalibrate Si via the consideration of possibilities and instead focus on the ISFJ's sense of appropriate relationships and interpersonal respect? If the theory is correct, it would mean the pathway toward enlightenment/wholeness would be very different for INTP vs ISFJ.
Or does the theory start to break down here?
YES YES YES!!!
Jen, I have been watching two male ISFJs lately. They are horrific. This seems odd to me as I have multliple INFJs who are actually quite good. The Ni-Si diff is striking here.
Both of these men will use Fe to "feel" like Te and control others. It works very well on Fe users, even EXTPs. People get a sense or caring and logical competence from them. They can organize effectively to a localized extent. On the surface they are very impressive and poised. They are horrifically nonlogical.
One seems to live in his own little universe. You bring him new information about how things are doomed to fail, and he just says, well we need to work harder as a team and I am sure these things will work out and smiles. Any mention of problems is considered negative. He actively avoids people who disrupt harmony-ie mention reality. This guy is at a breaking point though, so this Si-Ti linkage is very pronounced.
What is extraordinarily scary about both of these guys is what they say-it changes everytime you talk to them, depending on who you are. And they dont seem to recognize it changed. So they say different things to different people, and everyone trusts them, until the entire system implodes upon itself.
you'd have an Fi-Ni loop right?Well, I've had fruit loops before.