sriv
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Feelers tend to.
Not completely.
I love these arguments we get into.
Hands off.
Feelers tend to.
What cause? Give em the old blunt knife remark here and there. Life can be really exciting!
I love these arguments we get into.
Sure. Here are a few. You've come to this thread and posted something of little relevance to the original post, and then proceeded to "defend" your post with one-liners, against people who are more interested in your motivations in doing so rather than your opinions themselves. That in itself wouldn't be a problem, but I've seen you do this to a few more threads. You seem to be looking to garner some attention and have your posts be considered as significant. Or not. However, my opinion is that you're sort of failing either way, because I sense nothing behind what's posted -- they taste like empty words from here. IMO, your probably real-life friend Haphazard has much better ideas regarding getting thoughts or opinions across.
Cheers, and good night!
I realized that my theories were failing. Moreover, I realized that I couldn't understand where she, or anyone else was coming from, how they felt. What her experience was. In trying to understand her goodness, I was undermining it by objectifying her.
I want to "feel people out" now. I want to empathize...but I don't think I can. I can't help but fit them in some sort of framework, and it makes me feel ashamed that I have become that alienated from humanity. I feel trapped in all of my theories and wonder if its too late.
I wonder what my pursuit of the "truth" has made me? Less or more human? What have I become? The truth has led me to a truth that defies its own persuit....
Any help from any personality, is greatful...
Athenian200 said:What I don't understand is why you feel a need to participate in humanity as a whole, including the ones you can't relate to all, and not just be among friends. I would think most people seek out friends they can relate to, not people who work differently and make them uncomfortable.
Also, you might be confusing goodness with truth. A person without truth can be good (which I think might be what you witnessed), and a person without goodness can know truths. They are not the same thing.
Why? Analyzing is cool.
Well here is some analysis for you; you just contradicted yourself. Can you see why? If not, you had better work on your analytical ability some more before you can interject anything meaningful into a conversation about the benefits of being analytical.
If anybody needs more information about how other people operate and feel on a contextual level it is those with the most tendency to generate big ideas (NTPs) that may affect humanity, that very group of people that I can "cloister" myself among.
Until that is, I met someone; this person is not a romantic interest, so don't put me in that box. This woman, probably an ISFJ, is nothing like me. Very culturally involved, non-intellectual, concrete, essentially "normal", or so I thought. She is also one of the most kind, considerate, caring, peaceful person I have ever met.
At first, I thought that I could classify her morally, which should be easy to do. Most people that seem extremely kind have alternate motives which can be discerned soon enough using any thought tool (Rand, Utilitarianism, Machiavelli). I turns out, I couldn't find a contradiction in her behavior; for the most part, she seemed genuinely good. Perhaps its cultural then? Perhaps she was brought up in an exceptionally good home, or community, etc?
I realized that my theories were failing. Moreover, I realized that I couldn't understand where she, or anyone else was coming from, how they felt. What her experience was. In trying to understand her goodness, I was undermining it by objectifying her.
I want to "feel people out" now. I want to empathize...but I don't think I can. I can't help but fit them in some sort of framework, and it makes me feel ashamed that I have become that alienated from humanity. I feel trapped in all of my theories and wonder if its too late.
I wonder what my pursuit of the "truth" has made me? Less or more human? What have I become? The truth has led me to a truth that defies its own persuit....
Any help from any personality, is greatful...
Wow, I'm glad to read this testimony of an INTP's prise de conscience about emotions. I certainly don't think it's hopeless. I read in one INTP analysis that it just takes longer for them to reach emotional maturity.
I also know an INTP girl who's slowly reaching out to emotion sometimes, and it looks and sounds like a child's emotions. It's very endearing and your ISFJ probably finds you just as fascinating as you find her. INTPs are VERY fascinating to me (I'm INFJ, something close to ISFJ), and I can say F people will not write you off or judge you for being unemotional at times. They will only be hurt if you are unconsiderate about it.
..I think empathizing can be learned. I think some people are born with it intuitively, but once you know how someone thinks, and what they're reactions to things are, you can hold that construct in your mind if need be.
Please, once again, could you avoid sounding condescending? As an INTP I am quite aware that emotional awareness of self is a major weakness for me, but I can quite easily detect my own annoyance at being equated with some sort of cute child fumbling around or a puppy who just can't quite be house trained but is just trying so hard. Simplicity does not equal simple or childish.
I guess we could talk about how cute and endearing it is to watch an INFJ remain detached from a situation and logic through it instead of just applying their moral judgments to it...?
That being said, I think it was just poor wording on KLessard's part and not intentional to project that sort of attitude.
Wow, I'm glad to read this testimony of an INTP's prise de conscience about emotions. I certainly don't think it's hopeless. I read in one INTP analysis that it just takes longer for them to reach emotional maturity.
I also know an INTP girl who's slowly reaching out to emotion sometimes, and it looks and sounds like a child's emotions. It's very endearing and your ISFJ probably finds you just as fascinating as you find her. INTPs are VERY fascinating to me (I'm INFJ, something close to ISFJ), and I can say F people will not write you off or judge you for being unemotional at times. They will only be hurt if you are unconsiderate about it.