What I am saying is:
- You are both "right" from your own perspective.
- You are missing the points he is making with his Ni, and that is causing this "discussion" to stagnate into Ti "This is illogical" and Ni "I have stated this abstract internal concept as externally as I possibly can."
I see a disconnect between both of you attempting to externalize your internal mode of processing to each other. I don't think IJ is trying to be as obtuse as he is coming off in his responses, Mac, I think that is how Ni operates. (I will be the first in line to say that I don't fully grasp what Ni is and does, so I am fully admitting to shooting in the dark here.)
yes.
jim, i think the way you're approaching this is not the most tactful. i know you're pissed people are seeming unfair and not listening. i admit that i see things with fair ease from a similar perspective to yours - but mostly i think people are seeing your upset* and responding to that. also your typical INTx aura of superiority. it is not doing you favors right now. nor the other INTs in the thread, it currently looks like a sandbox squabble.
*noun, not adjective; "your" is correct, in case anyone was wondering
however - as far as i can see it he does have a valid point, removed from all personal wah-wah. sometimes posts are deemed "off topic" and moved; other times clearly off topic things are allowed to stay. lord knows i post things that seem off topic (though to my mind, are not) sometimes, and they stay. sometimes things are not moved that seem truly off topic to me - and as an ENP it takes
a lot for me to see things as off topic. other times things are moved that seemed perfectly in line with the conversation, flowing from previous points, even if they did not perfectly address the OP.
as to whether jim was personally persecuted, clearly i cannot know, but i also think there is plenty of truth in that there is a good amount of inconsistency in what stays and what goes. it comes as no surprise to me that a Ni dom could pick up a pattern of movement and draw specific conclusions from it.
it does seem like things are already stacked against jim. that was partially of his own making, clearly, but perhaps also a result of the functioning of forums in general. often open external criticism of what is not considered "fair" is not particularly welcome by those who are in charge, being that members do not know the full story of what is going on, and are essentially given a gift of forum usage in the first place.
it's a strange situation. the forum is not a right, but a privilege, which stacks things oddly. one cannot lobby for "fairness" because one does not have the
right to be here. yet those in charge may unknowingly be less welcome to certain points of view, and deal with those moreso than others. on one hand, that is life. things are unfair. on the other... well, as a member of the forum i feel like i should do my best to try and help be the best place it can. and inconsistency is truly frustrating. the community may flourish more without it. i feel like jim is in a bad place currently because he is not especially in favor many people's eyes right now, as far as i can see it, and as such his point will not be considered openly. but there is a certain truth to what he is saying, and i don't see why it couldn't be discussed objectively.
though perhaps this discussion belongs in the feedback forum instead.