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Thanks for that run-down. I don't know much, but that is what it has felt like over here. (I was 21 when the Berlin wall came down.)

Basically the USSR and US were facing off and the USSR collapsed economically and infrastructure-wise first.... and the USA simply breathed a sigh of relief and as we are so prone to do blithely pretended it was all over and "we'd won" and became self-absorbed and not really paying attention until it was again slapped in our faces decades later, leaving us wondering what the hell happened.

I mean, our gov was meddling in shit, but most of the citizens here weren't paying attention at all to a recurring threat.
 

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I am just tossing this in here for laughs:

... “I don’t think the president should pardon anyone who assaulted a police officer at the United States Capitol on Jan. 6,” [former vice president Mike Pence] said at The Dispatch’s Summit 2024, according to a tweet shared by the outlet on Tuesday.

“Karen and I are literally praying that President-elect Trump and Vice President-elect Vance will stand on the commitments that they will make when they raise their right hands on that day,” he added. “And with God’s grace and the support of the American people, I believe they will.”

Former vice president Pence, who was met with signs reading “Hang Mike Pence” as well as an actual noose on that chaotic January day in 2021, notably did not endorse Trump in his re-election campaign. When asked if Trump will go off the rails in his second term, his former running mate said, “The American people are just not going to have it...”

There is a bit of pain here for me too, though, as my own 81-year-old mom still seems to be in disbelief that anything bad will happen with Trump as president since "God knew what would happen" and will take care of everything. (I suspect she voted third-party or just didn't vote for President.) I just don't get people who ignore past behavior, past history, and the very words of the people they are talking about and refusing to think the worst of. Pence himself could have been dead four years ago. What is it with them? It scans as denial, and even when horrible things happen, well, it's "God has a plan, so I guess it will all be okay." It's like they have abdicated the future to those who would exploit it.
 

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As you might expect I don't really agree on the part of Russia. For me Russia is in the Communist block, even if it masks itself because it can make large gains out of that. After all USSR was evidently a socially conservative state, especially by today's modern standards. However what is really the controversy here is the idea there are leftists that just hate LGBT people. Since that picture of the world complicates narrative on a number of big issues. Therefore many like to skip some elements of the story.


In other words the main reason why I actually disagree with you is because you are taking very strict definition of "Communism". In other words you seem to skip the idea that the concept can evolve over time (what includes various adaptations a well). Modern Capitalism simply isn't the same as Capitalism from a few generations back. Just the same can be said for Communism. In other words Russia has pretty good relations with pretty much every state that I would place into the Communist block in this division. Therefore at the end of the day I think this is their place, even if they don't fit the profile 100% at this point. I live in EU but my president none the less sometimes starts his rallies with "Hello Comrades!". Not to mention that he likes to celebrate holidays from that past era and includes that era into his campaigns. He is openly anti Ukraine and he will even take flak and insults over that. He openly spits on EU and wasn't really for introduction of Euro ... etc etc. However from what I understand the Russian press likes him. Plus he openly likes to hang with pro Russian politicians from the region. Even those that say they would be rather in BRICS than EU.



If you were truly correct this would not be a thing in the terms of iconography:





Another issue is that this is in Germany kinda suppressed info, so that people don't ask various questions about various business deals. However this is exactly why you were were completely unprepared for the current war. The fact that North Korean troops are coming to help Russians in the Ukraine only proves that I am more right than wrong about this.


All I am saying that we should call spade a spade.

Yeah, not really convinced. The members of the SPD traditionally address each other with "comrade", that word doesn't mean much to me. And by American standards every other country on earth is collectivist. Collectivism does not equate communism. The images are from a parade in honor of the "great patriotic war", a sign of nationalism rather than communism. Todays Russia basically has the official message that Russia was great under the tsar, great under Stalin, great under the rest of the Soviet Union and is great again now with just the Gorbachov years being a temporary desaster from which the great nation had to recover. It's a return to nationalism and old school orthodox Christian values with a quasi tsar at the top and a ruling oligarchy just as they had in the 19th century. It is a bit insulting to imply that I am so naive as to call any society that isn't ready for LGBTQ rights rightwing. Please don't do that. That obviously wasn't the basis of my diagnosis of Russia and its sphere of influence belonging to the authoritarian(-ish) nationalistic block.

I also disagree with your rather simplistic and caricaturesque image of "the West". I am old enought to remember all the discussions that went on during the eastward expension of the EU. There very much was a public awareness and all the problems you claim the West didn't see and doesn't know about were already very openly debated 20 years or ago or more. Orban and co didn't happen over night and I think "the West" is not as blind and ignorant as you make it out to be.

Yes, I would agree that liberal democratic values didn't take the deep roots as quickly as many hoped back then. Yes, it was naive to assume that this would just take care of itself and, yes, there was a lot of selfish economic selfinterest involved (especially on the side of Germany which basically drooled at the thought of all those juicy export markets). On that part we are in agreement.

Democracy and capitalism are two different pairs of shoes though. You can have one without the other or both or neither (and of course this isn't binary either, there are degrees). Pretending that they go together probably was at the core of the problem to begin with. As I said, both Russia and China are politically authoritarian systems with a mixed economy.

I also agree that Russia is trying to rebuild its Soviet era sphere of influence.


However, I still object to the use of the empty shell term "communism". That word has become useless. Whatever these countries are now, it needs another name because it is something else. So give that block some other name, please.
 

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Could you tell me more about this? This sounds fascinating.

Tom Paine thought that the finite nature of land in the USA meant that every citizen who was unable to be landowner should be compensated for being excluded from ownership by a kind of tax on rents funded dividend to each and all. This was with the aim of preventing a landed gentry and aristocracy emerging as it had in Europe and the UK. Its all in his book Agrarian Justice, which I think is usually appended to his Rights of Man and Age of Reason, I cant remember which one it is but one of them is largely a response to Burke's Reflections on The Revolution in France which.

I need to find the source but there were also proposals about the democratic management of enterprises or land holdings beyond a certain size, this is the kind of thing that socialists were very late to think about as for so long socialists were this kind of apocalypse cult who conceived of their next revolution as something akin to the second coming of Christ, very short on detail as to what the things might look like on the morrow of any momentous change, whether it was an election win or insurrection or whatever.

It was all about combating the plutocratic tendencies that they all saw as more or less a thing over a scale longer than the foundation of any change.

I am aware that there's obvious limits in this, the political franchise didnt include women, slaves, it was old men, often old proprietors / ratespayers and there's no mention of the fact that the land was already occupied and being used by the native population too. Jefferson who I like for some of his ideas about an agrarian republic of yeoman farmers had some views which were awful about enslaved people and native people, he pulled murderous tricks on the natives which were almost a copy of Cromwell's actions in Ireland, his main rival the Jacksonian Democrats were about as bad.

So I dont pretend that these democratic control of land, property, enterprise ideas are as radical as may seem, there's a danger in reading things out of context or in an ahistorical way but the point is that the kind of myopic view of "cut taxes at any cost, property uber alas" were not as deeply rooted in the US, once upon a time, in either the Republicans or Democrats. There was a consensus that's been engineered out of the US.

Like its a country in which Henry George and Bellamy were popular authors, their ideas are both pretty left of the left to be honest, hardly likely to win a readership today but its a clue to how far project creep has worked for the capitalists in the US.
 

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I am just tossing this in here for laughs:



There is a bit of pain here for me too, though, as my own 81-year-old mom still seems to be in disbelief that anything bad will happen with Trump as president since "God knew what would happen" and will take care of everything. (I suspect she voted third-party or just didn't vote for President.) I just don't get people who ignore past behavior, past history, and the very words of the people they are talking about and refusing to think the worst of. Pence himself could have been dead four years ago. What is it with them? It scans as denial, and even when horrible things happen, well, it's "God has a plan, so I guess it will all be okay." It's like they have abdicated the future to those who would exploit it.
I think a lot of people of this age are going to simply ignore everything going forward for as long as possible. They don't think they have any responsibility for it (like, I dunno, directly voting for it) so now they think they can just move past the consequence. My parents are doing this but they claim to have not voted for either Trump or Harris so they're good (we all know they voted for Trump).

Also when I hear people say - I made more money under Trump - generally these are retirees with no income. But at the end of next year, the Trump tax cuts from 2017 expire (Congress has not been able to get the votes to correct course).


This is going to get so much worse for working people. It's going to obliterate retired people on fixed incomes. It's going to allow corporations to pay as little in taxes as we have ever seen. But we'll see what the voting margins are in Congress when it comes down to it.
 

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I'm sure the corporations won't abuse their new found powers.
Oh look they sent everyone a gift.
"Because the price of eggs is so high."
Oh, what a sweet card, I wonder what's inside.
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Yeah, not really convinced. The members of the SPD traditionally address each other with "comrade", that word doesn't mean much to me. And by American standards every other country on earth is collectivist. Collectivism does not equate communism. The images are from a parade in honor of the "great patriotic war", a sign of nationalism rather than communism. Todays Russia basically has the official message that Russia was great under the tsar, great under Stalin, great under the rest of the Soviet Union and is great again now with just the Gorbachov years being a temporary desaster from which the great nation had to recover. It's a return to nationalism and old school orthodox Christian values with a quasi tsar at the top and a ruling oligarchy just as they had in the 19th century. It is a bit insulting to imply that I am so naive as to call any society that isn't ready for LGBTQ rights rightwing. Please don't do that. That obviously wasn't the basis of my diagnosis of Russia and its sphere of influence belonging to the authoritarian(-ish) nationalistic block.


As I explained a few posts back, what I typed was simplistic so that people get the general sense where I am going with my logic. Especially since we are on US based forum. However if you want to call Russia nationalist instead of Communist that is fine. For me those two aren't in contradiction. You can do both. I have put Russia in the Communist group mostly because of who their friends are globally. The second group that are "patriots" where you should put people like Trump, Meloni or Milei just wouldn't do security pact with North Korea. The same would be for politicians from Liberal global block (Ursula, Macron, Biden ... etc). However Putin just did this pact. This is why I am saying that you shouldn't look too narrowly in my choice of words. Since I am judging by effect, not defintions. In my book the fact that they are still celabrating even their Comunist past proves that they didn't really get over it. What in my book is pretty important element of the story. Since that is basically the foundation of what is likely to happen further.


Regarding the LGBT: that wasn't going for you personally. Is just that I have noticed the left in the first world has the tendency to call itself the dominant or even only left wing force on the planet. So if you don't agree you must be some kind of a nationalist, populist or right winger. While for me that is kinda too simplistic. Especially if we include the so called second world in the equation.


If you remember some 2 weeks ago there were elections in Georgia, which should have definied if the country should go east or west in this new reality. However western press from what I have seen has said that conservative option won (because they are pro Russians). The winning party is called Georgian dream.


Georgia National Parliament Composition

However once you take a look at the composition of the country's parliament something interesting comes out. Georgian dream is the associated member of S&D (Socialists and democrats). The center left labor block of the European Union. This is why I am going after this idea of the modern age that left is good and right is bad. Since that just isn't the case, especially once you take a look further than just the core of the first world.

When the Berlin wall fell huge chunks of the Communists from the Soviet block declared themselves to be some sort of labor party. Even if their work wasn't really like the ones from Western Europe. What is especially visible in the domain of keeping the social conservatism. What is basically the spine of all who are in the upper left quadrant, that is autocratic left (which is in simplistic fashion called "Communism").




I also disagree with your rather simplistic and caricaturesque image of "the West". I am old enought to remember all the discussions that went on during the eastward expension of the EU. There very much was a public awareness and all the problems you claim the West didn't see and doesn't know about were already very openly debated 20 years or ago or more. Orban and co didn't happen over night and I think "the West" is not as blind and ignorant as you make it out to be.

Yes, I would agree that liberal democratic values didn't take the deep roots as quickly as many hoped back then. Yes, it was naive to assume that this would just take care of itself and, yes, there was a lot of selfish economic selfinterest involved (especially on the side of Germany which basically drooled at the thought of all those juicy export markets). On that part we are in agreement.

The thing is that my personal experiences are telling me that the eastern expansions of EU were done in very clumsy fashion (and it seems that you agree for the most part). I am just judging things by the effect. Yeah the intentions were perhaps good or they were greedy. But the core problem is that the results are fairly poor however you look at this. I am sorry but I have imagined West European politics to be more competent. While in this regard the estblishment objectively failed once you draw the bottom line. Maybe the situation can still be salvaged but the path is just too messy.



Democracy and capitalism are two different pairs of shoes though. You can have one without the other or both or neither (and of course this isn't binary either, there are degrees). Pretending that they go together probably was at the core of the problem to begin with. As I said, both Russia and China are politically authoritarian systems with a mixed economy.

I also agree that Russia is trying to rebuild its Soviet era sphere of influence.


However, I still object to the use of the empty shell term "communism". That word has become useless. Whatever these countries are now, it needs another name because it is something else. So give that block some other name, please.

As I said I was being simplistic for the sake of the argument.
But to be honest I think that China and Russia currently have mixed economy because they are doing global expansions and drying of western resources in the process. However if they win this global struggle I am fairly sure that their economy will move more towards where it was a few decades ago (just a hunch based on my local politics). In other word existing strategy and beliefs aren't always the same thing. Sometimes you just have to go around the obstacle.


Ok, we can call it "the block of statism", "the block of dictators", ... etc.
 

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This is what I mean about dodging accountability. You don't "inherit" an economy. Have you ever looked at the economics before and after many presidents, and not just the current ones? It has always been in a gradual decline, its just hyper focus on the moment that takes it out of proportion. At the end of the day, it is just numbers too. Ofc the pandemic tanked the economy. WTF did you expect to happen when you close all the stores? It wasn't Trump's fault. What does the average American feel about the economy? The president can stop price gouging (because its illegal to begin with), which has been going on under the Biden administration unchecked and they did nothing to stop it.

Tariffs only are a tax to the foreign nations, not the American people. Trump made it obvious, that if you build a factory on USA soil, that you won't have tariffs. Its way easier to build a factory in USA, than to try to import. That is his aim, which doubles as bringing jobs to USA as much as it saves that foreign nation money on avoiding tariffs. Its a win win situation for USA, so why are you against it? Companies will be forced to adapt, so why bend to their will?

And no, countless judges chose not to look into the election, as it was controversial. Huge difference than there was no evidence of fraud. No one with any common sense didn't think there was fuckery in 2020. If you think it was negligible, you are ignorant about the technological backdoors, bribery, fraud and bad actors involved that have come out even after the election and admitted to their crimes. Mail in voting, needs to stop. Its been proven time and time again, that only the most corrupt dictators in the world employ them and it compromises voter integrity.

Voter suppression is a boogie man that needs to stop. Its "negligible" in all the ways you think fraud is. Voter ID needs to be implemented, so we can catch up to every other developed nation in the world. The only people against voter ID, have either been brainwashed or they want it to cheat. There is zero argument to be had here other than the racist assumption that black people can't get ID. Despite the fact they easily get ID to buy booze and drive a car.
As others have already pointed out, you do inherit an economy. It takes awhile - months, sometimes years - for economic policy changes to take effect, to be felt in the marketplace, and in the pockets of consumers. If tariffs are only a tax on foreign nations, who pays them? Where does the money come from? Jobs were lost to overseas entities during Trump's last term. Biden's infrastructure bill and chips act are two steps toward bringing more jobs home. This was the one good thing I had hoped might come out of the last Trump administration: bringing jobs back home, and encouraging more American young people to go into STEM fields through education incentives like scholarships/sponsorships. This is something I have tracked closely as I have always worked in an industry where employing non-citizens is difficult if not impossible. Nothing was done. So much for putting America first.
Identity politics have devolved into fascist rhetoric to the point that if you don't believe in it, you are evil, bigoted, racist, xenophobic and or transphobic. It leaves zero room for discussion. It has engulfed the Democratic party to the point you can't even have a discussion with these people anymore, without them saying they will commit suicide, or go insane. It is why so many people who are in the moderates, left center etc. went right wing. Because everything is right wing of identity politics. It's because of the hateful, witchhunt-esque and spiteful behavior on the Democratic party's side. People who don't ascribe to bullshit like CRT, gender theory, etc. are considered pariahs in the social sphere. Where is the mature conversation? Most people want to be left alone, and only care about their families and not fringe movements like LGBT who make up a small portion of the population. If you really want pure democracy, the majority wins. The majority isn't LGBT. It should be obvious, when some of the best modern Democrats in history, are abandoning the party in favor of Republicans. Democrats no longer represent the working class, or believe even in the constitution. They want to censor everyone and do away with freedom of speech, and damn and cancel everyone they disagree with. They are the party that wants to remove rights from everyone.

Both parties are being reinvented, and its high time the people who are done with this bullshit change sides and make a new name for themselves.
The only suicides are coming from people whose lives and well-being are directly compromised by MAGA (I can't even say Republican any longer) restrictions on personal choices that harm no one. The only belief here is whether all of us as human beings should have equal opportunity to participate in society, its benefits and responsibilities, or not. Academics can debate theory all they want. Most people just want to be left alone to live their lives. That's where the law, the government need to step in, to prevent interference at any level.

Part of the course of American, if not human, progress has been lifting identity-based restrictions, on blacks, on various immigrant groups ("no Irish need apply"), on women, on LGBT folks, etc. Drumming up fear toward this or that identifiable group has long been a key tool of tyrants, to divide the people they want to control. Jews were the main target group for Nazis. Throughout American history, it has often been the latest wave of immigrants, or blacks folks, the one immigrant group who came here largely against their own will.

As I mentioned before, the way to make "identity politics" go away entirely is to stop using this sort of demographic information about someone as a way to exclude, restrict, or persecute. But that would take away the tyrant's tool.
Is this going to be the equivalent of Loose Change where people keep derailing the conversation with this, and insist on debating something irrelevant? What people need to focus on is how to face what is coming, on how to prepare for that. This is a distraction that nobody would do anything about even if it were true.

Like, let's suppose this is true. Fine. What do we do? That's what we need to figure out here.
What are you referring to? Musk's interference via X/Twitter, or something else?
I'm pretty sure the election (votes and vote counting wise) was 100% legit. The US electoral system is quite secure and well verified. Despite much hearsay and conspiracy theories, investigation after investigation finds no evidence of fraud by either party. That's the wrong rabbit hole to go down.

I'm starting to think voter turnout is also a red herring. As California ramps up their pony express riders and slowly manage to get their results in, numbers seem to be approaching 2020 levels. I think Trump is right back in the vicinity he was in 2020 (Trump is up to 75 million as of now) and Harris is at 72 million with probably a few million more to come her way.

It could be Democratic voters did not turn out quite to the level of 2020, but it's hard to say. It could be turnout was down a little across the board and the reality is former Dem supporters flipped to Trump. Or maybe Dems supporters did get a bit complacent as despite coin toss poll results as pretty much every pundit and celebrity on the left seemed confident of a Harris win. The message that I constantly heard was that Harris team was running a perfect campaign and doing a wonderful job on everything including turning out the vote. I guess not so much.
The counting may have been sound, but as I mentioned before or elsewhere, voter suppression efforts have effectively disenfranchised thousands of voters in many states, mostly on the Democratic or progressive side. That is where the real cheating is happening - before any votes are even cast.
I dunno, man -- I really despise Hobby Lobby!

"AND THEN -- WE TAKE CHIK-FIL-A!"
There is always boycotting, but that presumes consumers can act with some collective discipline. It's not as if there are no alternatives to either.
 

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I'm sure the corporations won't abuse their new found powers.
Oh look they sent everyone a gift.
"Because the price of eggs is so high."
Oh, what a sweet card, I wonder what's inside.
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Awwww it's a hugger! So warm and cuddly!
 

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I think a lot of people of this age are going to simply ignore everything going forward for as long as possible. They don't think they have any responsibility for it (like, I dunno, directly voting for it) so now they think they can just move past the consequence. My parents are doing this but they claim to have not voted for either Trump or Harris so they're good (we all know they voted for Trump).

Also when I hear people say - I made more money under Trump - generally these are retirees with no income. But at the end of next year, the Trump tax cuts from 2017 expire (Congress has not been able to get the votes to correct course).


This is going to get so much worse for working people. It's going to obliterate retired people on fixed incomes. It's going to allow corporations to pay as little in taxes as we have ever seen. But we'll see what the voting margins are in Congress when it comes down to it.

I used to hope that the accurate and objective reporting of the consequences of radical free market or crony capitalism would make people think twice but the rise of political lying, and the public finding it all plausible on some weird "I like the guy" logic, probably will count against that.
 

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The thing about Trump and Trump populism is that its a little like the right wing Tony Blair or "Clinton Factor", conservatives in the US and UK eventually decided just to wait it out, when political fortunes are pegged to personality cults, well, there's a natural time limit on such a thing.

Plus those types of personalities, whether they are right or left wing or neo-liberal like Clinton-Blair, dont engage in ANY succession planning or selection, the logic of all of them is "after me the flood" or "after me the deluge", meaning that they cant, wont or dont perceive of a world after they die, leave office etc. as without them they dont perceive of a world really.
 
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Senate Republicans elect John Thune as leader, succeeding Mitch McConnell

Well, this is certainly the least bad worst choice for the Republican led Senate, as well as signals that the filibuster will remain intact (Thune as McConnell’s No. 2 for many years, and Mitch said the filibuster will remain if he maintains leadership)and may therefore hold back Trump’s most extreme policies.

I’ll take John Thune over Medical Fraud Skeletor Rick Scott who was the MAGA pick.

While the Democrats are pointing fingers at themselves like the Spider-Man meme, there also seems to be a civil war brewing on the Republican side as well between MAGA and the Neocons. For a guy who the public believe was “anti-war” and would start no new wars, Trump has sure put a lot of Warhawk Neocons in cabinet positions related to foreign policy. A hot war with Iran looks imminent at this point, especially after News broke out about Iran ordering an assasination attempt on Trump.
 

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While the Democrats are pointing fingers at themselves like the Spider-Man meme, there also seems to be a civil war brewing on the Republican side as well between MAGA and the Neocons. For a guy who the public believe was “anti-war” and would start no new wars, Trump has sure put a lot of Warhawk Neocons in cabinet positions related to foreign policy.


Don't be silly, there is a clear difference between starting wars and expanding the current ones. I am sure that the campaign program will be fully respected and implemented as such. :sarcasm:



And now for real: the other day my national Russia friendly politicians that I am mentioning in other posts lately had a press conference. However one line really managed to catch my ear from what I manged to hear. Which basically comes down to simple point: how things are going pro Russian voters shouldn't get their hopes up that Trump will leave Ukraine to Putin just like that. I mean if the chair of national defense comity says something like this that has certain weight.

In other words if he really is putting such profile of people into those places that really opens one question. Did Trump lie about plans for Ukraine so that Putin's army of trolls works for him in the campaign ? What was in order that he avoid all of his "legal problems" !? If this is true "someone" will get quite pissed. I mean it isn't that Trump never lied to anyone.

The next 4 years could easily be the most dramatic 4 years in the world's history. Buckle up. :doh:
 

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I thought experience meant from the legal side, not the criminal side...

I feel like I'm watching the Brotherhood of Evil roster being instated on a Superfriends cartoon.
Like, it's all so bad... but insanely hilarious at once. Is this level of incompetence good or bad at this stage? God help us.

full list so far:
Marco Rubio - Secretary of State
Pete Hegseth - Defense secretary
Kristi Noem - Homeland security secretary
John Ratcliffe - C.I.A. director
Tulsi Gabbard - Director of national intelligence
Lee Zeldin -E.P.A. administrator
Elise Stefanik - U.N. ambassador
JD Vance - Vice president
Susie Wiles - Chief of staff
James Blair - Deputy chief of staff
Taylor Budowich - Deputy chief of staff
Stephen Miller - Deputy chief of staff
Dan Scavino - Deputy chief of staff
Thomas Homan - Border czar
Michael Waltz - National security adviser
Bill McGinley - White House counsel
Elon Musk - Department of government efficiency co-head
Vivek Ramaswamy - Department of government efficiency co-head
Matt Gaetz - Attorney general
Mike Huckabee -- Ambassador to Israel
Howard Lutnick - Transition co-chair
Linda McMahon - Transition co-chair

There are a few people in there with actual experience or some kind of experience for the role, but incredible to see some really green folks obviously just being handed the reins to something they don't know.
 
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I thought experience meant from the legal side, not the criminal side...

I feel like I'm watching the Brotherhood of Evil roster being instated on a Superfriends cartoon.
Like, it's all so bad... but insanely hilarious at once. Is this level of incompetence good or bad at this stage? God help us.

full list so far:


There are a few people in there with actual experience or some kind of experience for the role, but incredible to see some really green folks obviously just being handed the reins to something they don't know.
It's like a bunch of Dingos running a baby sitting service.
 

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I thought experience meant from the legal side, not the criminal side...

I feel like I'm watching the Brotherhood of Evil roster being instated on a Superfriends cartoon.
Like, it's all so bad... but insanely hilarious at once. Is this level of incompetence good or bad at this stage? God help us.

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There are a few people in there with actual experience or some kind of experience for the role, but incredible to see some really green folks obviously just being handed the reins to something they don't know.
Kristi Noem the head of Homeland Security. Man, I'm betting Russia (and many others) can't fucking wait for this moron with no experience.
 

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Gaetz as AG is actually quite frightening when combined with Trump's earlier 'dictator for a day' rhetoric. If I was one of Trumps primary enemies (i.e. one of those he believes was weaponizing the justice system against him) I would be legitimately concerned. Those folks are probably going to have legal headaches/expenses at the very least even if the witch hunts bear no eventual fruit.
 

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Kristi Noem the head of Homeland Security. Man, I'm betting Russia (and many others) can't fucking wait for this moron with no experience.


It doesn't matter, Trump said that he will put 20% tariffs on everything imported. What means that he is basically declaring trade war on the other 96% of humanity. What means that her lack of experience in her new job could be the least of you worries.

However that is geography/math based problem that most Americans didn't figure out yet. I am not even sure that even he fully understands what he is actually saying.
 
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