Random Politics Thread

[Red Herring]

My seven year old daughter is pretend-playing she's Tails from Sonic the Hedgehog. The other day my four year old played that she's a cat. Clearly the woke left has gone completely mad!

I also remember tugging a long skarf in the back of my pants as a kid and pretending I was a fox and this was my tail. No wonder I turned out a tree-hugging globalist. It's a miracle I still ended up heterosexual and cys.

 

[yeghor]

My seven year old daughter is pretend-playing she's Tails from Sonic the Hedgehog. The other day my four year old played that she's a cat. Clearly the woke left has gone completely mad!

I also remember tugging a long skarf in the back of my pants as a kid and pretending I was a fox and this was my tail. No wonder I turned out a tree-hugging globalist. It's a miracle I still ended up heterosexual and cys.

There's a difference between pretending to be one and believing to be one.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Red Herring]

There's a difference between pretending to be one and believing to be one.

In the case of children the lines are blurred.

Anyway, I fail to see how either students with mental health issues or young people with the innocent hobby of dressing up as furries have anything to do with "the woke left". That sounds like rightwing populist moral panic. Also, the Daily Mail is an abysmal source of information The article is badly written and mixes together several very different issues. Looks like rightwing clickbait.

 

[yeghor]

In the case of children the lines are blurred.

Anyway, I fail to see how either students with mental health issues or young people with the innocent hobby of dressing up as furries have anything to do with "the woke left". That sounds like rightwing populist moral panic. Also, the Daily Mail is an abysmal source of information The article is badly written and mixes together several very different issues. Looks like rightwing clickbait.

It has everything to do with it. They stem from the same pathology.

 

[The Cat]

Polly want an Ideology...RAWK?

In the case of children the lines are blurred.

Anyway, I fail to see how either students with mental health issues or young people with the innocent hobby of dressing up as furries have anything to do with "the woke left". That sounds like rightwing populist moral panic. Also, the Daily Mail is an abysmal source of information The article is badly written and mixes together several very different issues. Looks like rightwing clickbait.

Those who suffer from a tragic lack of imagination often make a crusade of eradicating it wherever they find it doing the least harm...quite a shame really how many get suckered into it....and a bit scary how many seem willing to walk into the maw by choice.​

 

[yeghor]

Polly want an Ideology...RAWK?

Those who suffer from a tragic lack of imagination often make a crusade of eradicating it wherever they find it doing the least harm...quite a shame really how many get suckered into it....and a bit scary how many seem willing to walk into the maw by choice.​

It becomes a bit of a problem if one believes what one imagines to be true and even more problematic when expects others to believe it or to refrain from expressing disbelief. That's how religions, another product of imagination, turn dogmatic and oppressive.

 

[The Cat]

It becomes a bit of a problem if one believes what one imagines to be true and even more problematic when expects others to believe it or to refrain from expressing disbelief. That's how religions, another product of imagination, turn dogmatic and oppressive.

If that's what you imagine to be true, I suppose, though I'll wager many express disbelief.

 

[The Cat]

Buckle Up Kiddos.
The Machine is hungry and you were born to feed.​

 

[yeghor]

If that's what you imagine to be true, I suppose, though I'll wager many express disbelief.

The cat-girl in the news article is said to have told another student that the latter sat on her tail when she sat on an empty seat next to her in the classroom. Extending/projecting your fantasy/imagination onto other people, objectifies them in that you reduce them to accessories/figurines in your imaginary world/script.

It's like trying to bring the Alice in Wonderland realm to real world. It can only be acceptable in entertainment/theatrics settings. Otherwise, next we'll have schizophrenics running the country.

 

[The Cat]

The cat-girl in the news article is said to have told another student that the latter sat on her tail when she sat on an empty seat next to her in the classroom. Extending/projecting your fantasy/imagination onto other people, objectifies them in that you reduce them to accessories/figurines in your imaginary world/script.

It's like trying to bring the Alice in Wonderland realm to real world. It can only be acceptable in entertainment/theatrics settings. Otherwise, next we'll have schizophrenics running the country.

So is what you're saying it that you think that anyone extending/projecting their fantasy/imagination onto other people is an objectively "bad" thing?

 

[yeghor]

So is what you're saying it that you think that anyone extending/projecting their fantasy/imagination onto other people is an objectively "bad" thing?

Yes, it's like a mental rape.

 

[The Cat]

Yes, it's like a mental rape.

And everyone who does it(it in this case being: "anyone extending/projecting their fantasy/imagination onto other people") in any way shape or form, in your opinion is guilty of this...thought crime?

 

[yeghor]

And everyone who does it(it in this case being: "anyone extending/projecting their fantasy/imagination onto other people") in any way shape or form, in your opinion is guilty of this...thought crime?

I am getting the sense that you are trying to set me up, and will say "you are doing it too."

So let's say "yes they are", for the sake of argument and hear out what you've got to say then we can discuss further whether the cases are compatible or not.

 

[The Cat]

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I am getting the sense that you are trying to set me up, and will say "you are doing it too."

So let's say "yes they are", for the sake of argument and hear out what you've got to say then we can discuss further whether the cases are compatible or not.

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling; but allow me to endeavor to soothe your anxieties. Your posts have merely caught our eyes as of late and, speaking for myself, you've evoked curiosity in me...And since you seem inclined to expound upon your thoughts, myquoting my response to red herring... I thought I would take this unexpected opportunity to...seek clarity into your insights and probe the potential depths of your perspective, just a bit more... well not personally...intimately perhaps? In any case I'm simply asking questions in hopes of gaining deeper insight into this brave new world we share; curious that you seem to project some kind of trap being set for you, and not, unrelatable albeit misplaced... but I'm sure you have your reasons...everyone always does. But back to the questions at hand... If you judge them guilty of this metaphorical thought crime...and since you generously opened the floor for the sake of argument; "let's say" your judgement of the situtaion hypothetically matters, what should be done with these poor unfortunate souls?

 

[yeghor]

I'm sorry you're getting that feeling; but allow me to endeavor to soothe your anxieties. Your posts have merely caught our eyes as of late and, speaking for myself, you've evoked curiosity in me...And since you seem inclined to expound upon your thoughts, myquoting my response to red herring... I thought I would take this unexpected opportunity to...seek clarity into your insights and probe the potential depths of your perspective, just a bit more... well not personally...intimately perhaps? In any case I'm simply asking questions in hopes of gaining deeper insight into this brave new world we share; curious that you seem to project some kind of trap being set for you, and not, unrelatable albeit misplaced... but I'm sure you have your reasons...everyone always does. But back to the questions at hand... If you judge them guilty of this metaphorical thought crime...and since you generously opened the floor for the sake of argument; "let's say" your judgement of the situtaion hypothetically matters, what should be done with these poor unfortunate souls?

That depends but I basically liken it to schizophrenia (distorted reality perception), whatever process is followed for schizophrenia should also be followed for them as well.

If I were to guess schizophrenics would most likely be INTPs, and these furries and people identifying something beside human would most likely be INFPs. Auxiliary Ne in this case seems to be a symbolism for some mechanism that distorts how they perceive reality, which feeds into their dominant function Ti or Fi.

If their reality perception is indeed distorted:
-It should be corrected medically if possible, cause survival requires well-functioning reality perception and without it they would be dependent on others
-If cannot be corrected, they should be kept away from domains that require high levels of reality perception for functioning, (anything outside of arts and entertainment I would say, where suspension of reality is tolerable and indeed beneficial for productivity)
-They should be directed towards domains that can tolerate their kind of behaviour, like a commune of similar minded people

If their reality perception is not distorted:
-the reason for their actions should be investigated, and treated to instill normal (sociable) behaviour
-If that fails, they should be kept away from domains that require high levels of sociable behaviour, (anything that requires collective living/working)
-They should be directed towards domains that can tolerate insociable/antisocial kind of behaviour, like a commune of similar minded people

For education:
-I always say intuitives and sensors should have separate schools, tailored to their needs, it can be arranged such that each type or four temperaments (SJ, NJ, SP, NP) can get their own type of school/education system where other children are also of the same demeanor so none of them will feel like an odd ball, and they won't "irk" or abuse each other

I would prefer segregation of living, education and working areas for each temperament (SJ, NJ, SP and NP). That would create the least amount of friction while living collectively. That way, nobody would rub one another the wrong way and they could all dictate their own mode of "normal/social" behaviour in their respective domains.

 

[The Cat]

That depends but I basically liken it to schizophrenia (distorted reality perception), whatever process is followed for schizophrenia should also be followed for them as well.

If I were to guess schizophrenics would most likely be INTPs, and these furries and people identifying something beside human would most likely be INFPs. Auxiliary Ne in this case seems to be a symbolism for some mechanism that distorts how they perceive reality, which feeds into their dominant function Ti or Fi.

If their reality perception is indeed distorted:
-It should be corrected medically if possible, cause survival requires well-functioning reality perception and without it they would be dependent on others
-If cannot be corrected, they should be kept away from domains that require high levels of reality perception for functioning, (anything outside of arts and entertainment I would say, where suspension of reality is tolerable and indeed beneficial for productivity)
-They should be directed towards domains that can tolerate their kind of behaviour, like a commune of similar minded people

If their reality perception is not distorted:
-the reason for their actions should be investigated, and treated to instill normal (sociable) behaviour
-If that fails, they should be kept away from domains that require high levels of sociable behaviour, (anything that requires collective living/working)
-They should be directed towards domains that can tolerate insociable/antisocial kind of behaviour, like a commune of similar minded people

For education:
-I always say intuitives and sensors should have separate schools, tailored to their needs, it can be arranged such that each type or four temperaments (SJ, NJ, SP, NP) can get their own type of school/education system where other children are also of the same demeanor so none of them will feel like an odd ball, and they won't "irk" or abuse each other

I would prefer segregation of living, education and working areas for each temperament (SJ, NJ, SP and NP). That would create the least amount of friction while living collectively. That way, nobody would rub one another the wrong way and they could all dictate their own mode of "normal/social" behaviour in their respective domains.

What does it depend on? Making sure I'm following the winding trail through the forest of trees....You say that depends then seem to descend into a bunch of random generalization about differing brain chemistry then platform into what seems to be some reflavored typology theory...then suggest if these poor souls arent mentally ill they still need to be segregated and reeducated before being allowed among...whomever is deemed whatever normal is? and then just more on your preference for segregation...but I would like to think that surely that's not what you mean to say?

 

[yeghor]

What does it depend on? Making sure I'm following the winding trail through the forest of trees....You say that depends then seem to descend into a bunch of random generalization about differing brain chemistry then platform into what seems to be some reflavored typology theory...then suggest if these poor souls arent mentally ill they still need to be segregated and reeducated before being allowed among...whomever is deemed whatever normal is? and then just more on your preference for segregation...but I would like to think that surely that's not what you mean to say?

If you try to accommodate all kinds of behaviour in a society, then at some point common ground will be lost and society will disintegrate into smaller groups. At some point it will become unmanageable as a collective because the needs and desires and temperaments will become too diverse, marginalized and at odds with each other.

Available options are:
Minority groups should adjust themselves (or made to adjust) to the cultural norms of the majority group, or (in this option, no furries in classroom)
Minority groups should have their segregated domains where they can dictate their own cultural rules (schools specific to furries)

 

[The Cat]

If you try to accommodate all kinds of behaviour in a society, then at some point common ground will be lost and society will disintegrate into smaller groups. At some point it will become unmanageable as a collective because the needs and desires and temperaments will become too diverse, marginalized and at odds with each other.

Available options are:
Minority groups should adjust themselves (or made to adjust) to the cultural norms of the majority group, or (in this option, no furries in classroom)
Minority groups should have their segregated domains where they can dictate their own cultural rules (schools specific to furries)

Before we go on, I feel I have to ask, No offense intended here, but...are you a serious person?

 

[yeghor]

Before we go on, I feel I have to ask, No offense intended here, but...are you a serious person?

I am when it comes to tasks and duties but I am goofy when it comes to having fun.

Btw, I consider myself a minority too. I would've preferred to grow up in an NJ neighbourhood with NJ neighbours and go to a school where everyone was NJs ten times over to the mixed system we are living in now. Even here I am rubbing people the wrong way and vice-versa, and IRL it results in conflicts, abuse and violence.

When I point out inconsistencies to someone it feels to them like I am abusing them, in an NJ setting however, it would be considered "normal" or "tolerable" or even "helpful". When you cram Ni-doms and Se-doms or Fi-doms and Te-doms or any couple with opposite functions together, they are bound to irritate each other and they have the least appreciation for their respective desires and lifestyles.