Random Politics Thread

[Virtual ghost]

my point is sort of in line with yours, these people don't know the difference. or they just want security from things that scare them, like trans high school kids, books about black kids in the old south, disney recasting animated characters with POCs, etc. Meanwhile actual security against free-market commodification of basic healthcare services, security against actual foreign threats, security against just about any actual danger is regarded as a danger in itself.

Ok, I can agree with that. I was just saying/thinking that security is in high demand since there much of it, isn't any. So some will even play games over children's books just to have any sense of control. Since they can't really control the real problems.

In my book you can't have freedom without some security. The whole idea that you much choose between the two is absurd to me.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Politico forecast 2022

What is being predicted for the midterms.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Virtual ghost]

Americans Are Unusually Lukewarm About A Second Biden Term

People evidently want someone that is younger and therefore more similar to the base.

 

[The Cat]

Americans Are Unusually Lukewarm About A Second Biden Term

People evidently want someone that is younger and therefore more similar to the base.

Less republican too. I know he's only got half the calories as regular repbulicans; but he just leaves a bad flavor. Dems need to understand that people dont want diet republicans in the democratic party. We want them to do what they say they do, and actually represent the people, instead of the "people" that are corporations. You cant put out a forest fire by just jackin it on capitol hill. Deep down we know they know that.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Less republican too. I know he's only got half the calories as regular repbulicans; but he just leaves a bad flavor. Dems need to understand that people dont want diet republicans in the democratic party. We want them to do what they say they do, and actually represent the people, instead of the "people" that are corporations. You cant put out a forest fire by just jackin it on capitol hill. Deep down we know they know that.

That is how it is.
So yeah, the democrats should pick a likable white woman or latino guy for 2024. Plus they should be something like 50. Younger leadership is simply needed.

 

[ceecee]

That is how it is.
So yeah, the democrats should pick a likable white woman or latino guy for 2024. Plus they should be something like 50. Younger leadership is simply needed.

The list I've seen is terrible - neolibs that have made it really clear they want the status quo and nothing further (Secretary Mayor Pete, Amy Kloubucher, Kamala Harris...oy)

Pritzker. I could see this. He keeps progressives happy thus far and he would appeal to business too (fam owns Hyatt). Maybe Gretchen but I think it's massively important to keep her, our current SoS and AG for election security at the very least. Stacy Abrams needs to win GA governor if she wants to go for the presidency, same for Gretchen and her re-election. I love Katie Porter (D-CA) and Fetterman (he has to win the US Senate race first).

 

[The Cat]

 

[The Cat]

The list I've seen is terrible - neolibs that have made it really clear they want the status quo and nothing further (Secretary Mayor Pete, Amy Kloubucher, Kamala Harris...oy)

Pritzker. I could see this. He keeps progressives happy thus far and he would appeal to business too (fam owns Hyatt). Maybe Gretchen but I think it's massively important to keep her, our current SoS and AG for election security at the very least. Stacy Abrams needs to win GA governor if she wants to go for the presidency, same for Gretchen and her re-election. I love Katie Porter (D-CA) and Fetterman (he has to win the US Senate race first).

If dems fought repbulicans like they fight progressives, they might be worth the bullshit they're filled with...but since they dont...I honestly feel like corp dems are collaborators at this point.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Virtual ghost]

If dems fought repbulicans like they fight progressives, they might be worth the bullshit they're filled with...but since they dont...I honestly feel like corp dems are collaborators at this point.

Curious, why primaries against that kind of people don't work more often ? It isn't that they have too much of sympathy in general public. What means that people don't take primaries too seriously.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Curious, why primaries against that kind of people don't work more often ? It isn't that they have too much of sympathy in general public. What means that people don't take primaries too seriously.

People don’t care about primaries here.

 

[Virtual ghost]

People don’t care about primaries here.

Obviously.
What is like saying you don't care about the senate and you are expecting you suggestions to pass. This is simply vital piece of the puzzle, often even more than GE that comes afterwards. Especially in solid areas where person on the seat is basically defined in the primaries. Because GE for the seat is already decided.

Therefore since only about 1/4 of house seats is actually competitive it is the primaries where you are actually defining your fate.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Obviously.
What is like saying you don't care about the senate and you are expecting you suggestions to pass. This is simply vital piece of the puzzle, often even more than GE that comes afterwards. Especially in solid areas where person on the seat is basically defined in the primaries. Because GE for the seat is already decided.

Therefore since only about 1/4 of house seats is actually competitive it is the primaries where you are actually defining your fate.

PEOPLE ARE STUPID HERE

 

[Virtual ghost]

PEOPLE ARE STUPID HERE

Of course.
However I wrote that post in belief that someone might see their own stupidity of action and therefore fix it. Since the primaries are where the issue of bad apples has to be sorted out (on both sides). Once you get bad apple vs. bad apple in GE it is already too late and you are evidently having bad apple for dinner.


What my experience thought me is that as soon as the system offers you to vote on anything just vote if physically possible. Even in the case if you only marginally prefer one option over the others. Since elections will happen regardless if you are a part of them or not. Plus politics is about momentum and therefore sometimes it take a few cycles to get to something. What is because with voting you are rising the pressure to move things your way. Therefore people like you may not feel so hopeless in the next cycle and they will activate. Also if you vote that signals that you are paying attention and therefore people on those seats will think twice before doing questionable stuff. Since active electorate is much more likely to punish them at the election day. Plus with voting you are effecting the financial equation of the elections, since margins and trends matter in how finances are done. What indirectly effects all races, even the ones that aren't in your area. What in the end works for all elections across the globe, since this is their fundamental dynamic that is universal.


So yeah, only stupid and ignorant people don't vote.
Since elections are the only day in a while when someone from above actually asks you something.

 

[The Cat]

Curious, why primaries against that kind of people don't work more often ? It isn't that they have too much of sympathy in general public. What means that people don't take primaries too seriously.

Well, that's one of those "swing a cat" type scenarios for reasoning: on one hand Corporate media down plays the primary, some states have open vs closed primaries, and the way we tend to do voting here seems to be by design to be as inconvienient as possible for poorer folks; not to mention most places of business seem to have a tendency to not want to let people get out and vote...then you've got "who is there to vote for they all suck, oh well that's life, thank god we live in amercia land of the free and home of the brave, best nation in the world, boy if any other nation ran like ours and wasnt ours it'd be a hellscape, but thank god its here, and not there, so everything is fine." So you know, basically ignorance and confidence in an unfortunate proportional ratio.

 

[Red Herring]

Well, that's one of those "swing a cat" type scenarios for reasoning: on one hand Corporate media down plays the primary, some states have open vs closed primaries, and the way we tend to do voting here seems to be by design to be as inconvienient as possible for poorer folks; not to mention most places of business seem to have a tendency to not want to let people get out and vote...then you've got "who is there to vote for they all suck, oh well that's life, thank god we live in amercia land of the free and home of the brave, best nation in the world, boy if any other nation ran like ours and wasnt ours it'd be a hellscape, but thank god its here, and not there, so everything is fine." So you know, basically ignorance and confidence in an unfortunate proportional ratio.

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but why don't you just put all elections and referendums on a sunday? As you say, it seems to be by design because there are easier and more voter-friendly electoral systems out there in other democracies that could be copied.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but why don't you just put all elections and referendums on a sunday? As you say, it seems to be by design because there are easier and more voter-friendly electoral systems out there in other democracies that could be copied.

Since US has only 2 actual parties and that would be seen as rigging to help one of them.

You are right that this is broken record that comes out from time to time. However it is obvious that to some this is simply normal. If you find socialized healthcare extremist you may as well vote on Tuesday. That is far less strange in my book.

 

[The Cat]

I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but why don't you just put all elections and referendums on a sunday? As you say, it seems to be by design because there are easier and more voter-friendly electoral systems out there in other democracies that could be copied.

And yeah the Lord sayeth unto them; thou shalt honor the sabath and keep it holy; while also disagreeing on what day that is, and yeah if any among you be Baptist, thou are to keep the day of sunday for either church or football, golf if your boreing, nascar if you're trashy, and brunch if you're fancy, but ye MUST patron the all you can eat buffet till a food coma be upon you...so voting...is right out. Now of course, the good lord said no such thing...but you would think its in the bible. Then theres the whole "Not on my day off" crowd. They're adjacent to the not in their backyard folks, but against their own interests. American Democracy is a street con and most of the population are suckers who are certain if only they keep gambling, the law of averages is bound to kick in(spoiler alert: It wont.) If they made it easier to vote everyone would do it, and we cant have that here. What do we look like some sort of democracy? I mean, half our population thinks democracy is nothing more than mob rule, and will consistently vote against their own interests because they want to be "real americans"
Please rise for the real national anthem, place your hands over your eyes and cross your heart:
[SPOILER="God Save the Rich"]

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[The Cat]

Since US has only 2 actual parties and that would be seen as rigging to help one of them.

You are right that this is broken record that comes out from time to time. However it is obvious that to some this is simply normal. If you find socialized healthcare extremist you may as well vote on Tuesday. That is far less strange in my book.

1; we have 1 party with two faces.