Random Politics Thread

[The Cat]

This is dirty. But we are in the era where it doesn't really matter, dirt is everywhere.

However helping the GOP to stabilize the insanity in itself in probably a worthy cause. Since some people there are just going too far on regular basis.

And they're done dirt cheap.

In all seriousness, ime the enemy of my enemy... Nancy Pelosi maay want a strong republican party to hide behind, but I don't...I'll settle for one with however much less fascism can be managed....

 

[Virtual ghost]

And they're done dirt cheap.

In all seriousness, ime the enemy of my enemy... Nancy Pelosi maay want a strong republican party to hide behind, but I don't...I'll settle for one with however much less fascism can be managed....

If the democrats had a sense for campaigning they would send her to retirement and find some new face as their potential leader of the house. Just on that you can probably tilt the end results for 2-3 points. Since just about everyone wants to see changes at this point. New faces almost always rise enthusiasm.

 

[The Cat]

If the democrats had a sense for campaigning they would send her to retirement and find some new face as their potential leader of the house. Just on that you can probably tilt the end results for 2-3 points. Since just about everyone wants to see changes at this point. New faces almost always rise enthusiasm.

Seemingly minus corporate dems, they act like they seem to think that they can keep using the growing fascism of the right to hide behind, campaign on, without actually doing anything apart from asking for campaign money..its like they think they can just let things get out of hand and they wont have to risk a night of knives because "Oh it could never happen here, not really." smh If corp dems worked against republicans like they go after progressives, we wouldnt be in this mess rn...

Politics is a street hustle given austere legitimacy. Keep your eye on the red lady. Dont be distracted they're playing three card monte

Mark Twain said it best: "There is no confirmed criminal class in America apart from Congress."

 

[Virtual ghost]

Seemingly minus corporate dems, they act like they seem to think that they can keep using the growing fascism of the right to hide behind, campaign on, without actually doing anything apart from asking for campaign money..its like they think they can just let things get out of hand and they wont have to risk a night of knives because "Oh it could never happen here, not really." smh If corp dems worked against republicans like they go after progressives, we wouldnt be in this mess rn...

Ok, but I was talking about ordinary people and average voter.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I admit that it doesn't sound pretty as a statement but that doesn't make it wrong by default. The Republicans in general care less about the education as a topic and therefore they left it to the Liberals for the most part. Which found the ways how to use it for good and bad stuff and therefore now Republicans are basically in the position that they have to declare basically the whole education system as their enemy. However in doing so they are also alienating huge chunks of the center and that could be a electoral problem down the road. As you pointed out newer generations are much more democratic in thinking.

I used the term "genuine knowledge" because today every smartass thinks he or she knows all the secrets of the universe. I mean not all information is knowledge.
This is exactly why you have complains that today's education isn't always in it's best form and there are indeed some pretty gray zones. This is also exactly why I said that "education if done right is a very powerful social tool".

However as you probably know I am from the other side of the Atlantic and here there is also a fair share of arguments and debates about "trivialization of education". Since the systems are introducing some questionable standards from US and passing the exams is becoming easier and easier in general (and the internet in parallel is pushing a good amount of BS) . Therefore in that point I am on the similar page with you. What returns us to the why I said "genuine knowledge". Since education shouldn't be just about hanging out and sleeping or chatting at classes. What is indeed good chunk of modern American education today. What kinda only deepens my claim that the US style education is often pushing people away from the political right. Since it is pushing them away from healthy right that is the discipline or practicality and is pushing them away from unhealthy right that is religious extremism and similar to that. Therefore I stand by my claim that US style education is generally pushing people away from the right. However a loss of practicality can become a long term problem if economy becomes purely a mind game or popularity contest, even if there are huge amounts of money in it. But that doesn't really change the fact that current education models are generally pushing people away from the political right.


What altogether is kinda why USA is falling apart. The intellectuals and practicians are in their own worlds and they can't really cooperate. Since politics is running cheap election campaigns for decades and the country got lost in 24/7 culture war. Therefore my only real mistake when making that post was not paying attention to the scale of this culture war since I am from abroad. This isn't the first time I am being accused that I am siding with "the enemy" here.

I should have been more generous given you're not from this country.

 

[Maou]

@DiscoBiscuit @Tennessee Jed
Not sure if I shared this with you before or not. But this video explains why society shifts left over time. I had to dig this out of my favorites, because it wouldn't search up anymore in youtube. Aka, its cencored.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

"pRoGrEsSiVeS aNd LiBs LiVe iN tHeiR bUbBLeS aNd nEvEr sEe tHe oThEr SiDe bUt pOoR wiDdLe cUhNsuhVaHtiVes hAve tO bE aRoUnD LiB cUlTuRe aLL tHe TiMe"

Right, because no one ever voted blue or agreed more often with the opposition in a red state. Because no one with a left lean ever grew up in a small conservative town where they were part of a small political minority and learned fast that their views weren't welcome and in some cases said views met with rancor and vitriol, while they gritted their teeth for years listening to opposition talking points openly shared by conservative friends and family with little pushback. Right. Please, Disco. Come on man, I know you're brighter than this. Suddenly you're experiencing something a lot of Americans have experienced their entire lives. I'm sorry you're suddenly feeling pushed out of your comfort bubble bro, but I think you will be just fine. Other people adapted and dealt for decades. If you can't do the same, that's your problem. This is why the wokies come up with terms like white fragility. Because of people like you whining about shit other people are more than used to experiencing. Oh you feel silenced. This has never happened to anyone else but you. Boo hoo man

Once again the right fails to see how they played a major part in the birth and growth of that whole stupid woke movement. You brought that shit on yourself bro

 

[Virtual ghost]

I agree that US society is changing. However I am not sure that it is really towards the left. To me the course seems to be much more towards some kind of postmodernist liberal society that has it's interpretation of history and it has certain elements of dystopia. Therefore as the time is passing this materializes more and more. However that isn't all that much left, liberal and left are two different things. In USA even on the left universal healthcare is often considered to be radical idea or some kind of holy grail that will probably never happen. While in some other developed countries even the far right is totally ok with the idea. Since going against it is considered to be the same nonsense as ending the law enforcement. What I deliberately say because USA actually has a movement that is working in that direction. This is why I think that the correct term here is postmodernist liberal society. Since both sides in the end think of how to be free of the rules of others, even if that means throwing the reality through the window. And that is basically the source of all pain, cultural and philosophical relativism. Since it is politically incorrect to call our BS, especially if they are covered in "norms". What then only adds to the pressure and the pot isn't the allowed to explode either.


Therefore in the end you get this messy and stressed society where most don't have a normal life and people who doubt everything think of themselves as smart. While in fact they are simply lost in the maze of cultural relativism that is kinda the foundation of postmodernist liberal society. Which has little to do with the left exactly since it lacks clear structure. But this isn't the right either. Postmodernist liberal society is somewhere around center and totally down to the libertarian side on the political compass. Because it sees any kind of real regulation as a threat. Be it very existence of law enforcement, functional healthcare, general gun control, keeping people away from the drugs, taxes, keeping infrastructure functional, having defined genders ..... etc. You can claim that kind of thinking like this is your right. However in the end you need to live with the consequences of the fact that you didn't close any chapters and that you have them under control. Which is evidently a dirty word in a postmodernist liberal society. Since it is seen as the ultimate threat to the liberal relativist mindset. Which likes to dream about conclusions but deep down it doesn't really want any of them.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I agree that US society is changing. However I am not sure that it is really towards the left. To me the course seems to be much more towards some kind of postmodernist liberal society that has it's interpretation of history and it has certain elements of dystopia. Therefore as the time is passing this materializes more and more. However that isn't all that much left, liberal and left are two different things. In USA even on the left universal healthcare is often considered to be radical idea or some kind of holy grail that will probably never happen. While in some other developed countries even the far right is totally ok with the idea. Since going against it is considered to be the same nonsense as ending the law enforcement. What I deliberately say because USA actually has a movement that is working in that direction. This is why I think that the correct term here is postmodernist liberal society. Since both sides in the end think of how to be free of the rules of others, even if that means throwing the reality through the window. And that is basically the source of all pain, cultural and philosophical relativism. Since it is politically incorrect to call our BS, especially if they are covered in "norms". What then only adds to the pressure and the pot isn't the allowed to explode either.


Therefore in the end you get this messy and stressed society where most don't have a normal life and people who doubt everything think of themselves as smart. While in fact they are simply lost in the maze of cultural relativism that is kinda the foundation of postmodernist liberal society. Which has little to do with the left exactly since it lacks clear structure. But this isn't the right either. Postmodernist liberal society is somewhere around center and totally down to the libertarian side on the political compass. Because it sees any kind of real regulation as a threat. Be it very existence of law enforcement, functional healthcare, general gun control, keeping people away from the drugs, taxes, keeping infrastructure functional, having defined genders ..... etc. You can claim that kind of thinking like this is your right. However in the end you need to live with the consequences of the fact that you didn't close any chapters and that you have them under control. Which is evidently a dirty word in a postmodernist liberal society. Since it is seen as the ultimate threat to the liberal relativist mindset. Which likes to dream about conclusions but deep down it doesn't really want any of them.

fully aware of the distinction between left and liberal, but these right wingers think it's all the same thing, hence why I grouped them together in my post.

Problem with libertarianism in the US is it's just anarchocapitalism and paleoconservatism in a tie dyed t-shirt. A true libertarian party in the US (we don't have one) would be advocating for land value tax and individual liberty from the increasingly overbearing police and nanny state model pushed by both liberals and conservatives in this country. A lot of dumb people on the left, and a lot of dumb fake libertarians on the right have effectively built a strawman called government and believe libertarianism should be for the goal of no government. Not really so, just for a more organic, ground up democracy with emphasis on civil liberties.

Kind of unrelated, but I am not sure what the Mises Caucus really hopes to achieve. Typically a more radical third party or candidate (i.e. Perot in 1992, Greens in 2000) only siphons votes from the more mainstream party most closely aligned to their platform. So wouldn't any Mises Caucus candidates in 2022 and 2024 run the risk of actually helping the democrats by splitting the Republican vote (assuming there's not also a left leaning third party siphoning a significant number of democratic voters)?

Someone explain it to me since I am stupid and left the little kids table to join the adults' conversation?

 

[Virtual ghost]

fully aware of the distinction between left and liberal, but these right wingers think it's all the same thing, hence why I grouped them together in my post.

Problem with libertarianism in the US is it's just anarchocapitalism and paleoconservatism in a tie dyed t-shirt. A true libertarian party in the US (we don't have one) would be advocating for land value tax and individual liberty from the increasingly overbearing police and nanny state model pushed by both liberals and conservatives in this country. A lot of dumb people on the left, and a lot of dumb fake libertarians on the right have effectively built a strawman called government and believe libertarianism should be for the goal of no government. Not really so, just for a more organic, ground up democracy with emphasis on civil liberties.

Well, that was a post that was going to everyone not just the last poster that was you. Plus I know that some people here know the distinction, but also many don't.


However I really don't see where do you see a nanny state here. USA is anything but a nanny state. It doesn't have a universal healthcare, it doesn't have a paid maternity leave, it doesn't have free college, it doesn't give by law a month of paid vacation every year, it struggles with safe drinking water, it struggles with public safety, it's food is often banned abroad since it doesn't meet even the most basic health standards, .... it even struggle with removing of guns from schools. Calling that a nanny state is just absurd in my book.

 

[The Cat]

Forsaken? By Dear Leader? Where is their golden god now?
He's done with you darling, without so much as a lipstick letter on the mirror. Here's a little Jiminy Cricket moment where your conscience failed you: When you wish upon a con, makes no difference what you're on, by the time you really need him, he's long gone. It's Rookie cultist mistake. You sold your soul to a false god and all you got was this lousy hat, a t-shirt, and a spot on a federal watch list. Let this be a lesson, you're free to join a cult if you want too, but you're expected to provide your own lube...All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again...
This one goes out to...all dear leaders very, very expendable little toys, wherever they are on their journey of being duped, used up, and cast aside...

 

[The Cat]

Well, that was a post that was going to everyone not just the last poster that was you. Plus I know that some people here know the distinction, but also many don't.


However I really don't see where do you see a nanny state here. USA is anything but a nanny state. It doesn't have a universal healthcare, it doesn't have a paid maternity leave, it doesn't have free college, it doesn't give by law a month of paid vacation every year, it struggles with safe drinking water, it struggles with public safety, it's food is often banned abroad since it doesn't meet even the most basic health standards, .... it even struggle with removing of guns from schools. Calling that a nanny state is just absurd in my book.

Less a nanny State more a Handyman state.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Less a nanny State more a Handyman state.

Kinda, the USA simply got lost in a cultural maze of it's own making. Perhaps that is politically incorrect things to say but it is evidently more true than not.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Well, that was a post that was going to everyone not just the last poster that was you. Plus I know that some people here know the distinction, but also many don't.


However I really don't see where do you see a nanny state here. USA is anything but a nanny state. It doesn't have a universal healthcare, it doesn't have a paid maternity leave, it doesn't have free college, it doesn't give by law a month of paid vacation every year, it struggles with safe drinking water, it struggles with public safety, it's food is often banned abroad since it doesn't meet even the most basic health standards, .... it even struggle with removing of guns from schools. Calling that a nanny state is just absurd in my book.

culturally it is full of people who would gladly trade their freedom in the name of feeling secure and banning books they don't want their kids reading in public schools. We're not there yet, but I think we're headed to a nightmare version if the people allow it.

 

[Virtual ghost]

culturally it is full of people who would gladly trade their freedom in the name of feeling secure and banning books they don't want their kids reading in public schools. We're not there yet, but I think we're headed to a nightmare version if the people allow it.

Of course they would gladly make that trade, since they don't have almost any genuine security at all. Considering "security" to be a dirty word is kinda crazy when you think about it. After all without security you can't really progress and if you don't progress you start to lose ground. What you just said is the main reason why I think that American culture doesn't really understand the difference between "freedom" and "you are on your own". The difference is in options that are available and desires.

 

[Red Herring]

Germany just got a new Constitutional Court (=supreme court) judge. Here's how we do it: The court has 16 judges, divided into the first and second chamber. One half is elected by a 2/3 majority of the federal parliament (=House of Representatives) and the other half is elected by a 2/3 mayority of the federal council (=Senate). Terms are limited to 12 years.

They don't change laws themselves but tell the government to go back, do its homework and come up with something better within a set deadline when they find a law to be unconstitutional.


Just saying.





Coincidentally, there is no quota but 9 of the current 16 judges are women. Most judges are law professors.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Germany just got a new Constitutional Court (=supreme court) judge. Here's how we do it: The court has 16 judges, divided into the first and second chamber. One half is elected by a 2/3 majority of the federal parliament (=House of Representatives) and the other half is elected by a 2/3 mayority of the federal council (=Senate). Terms are limited to 12 years.

They don't change laws themselves but tell the government to go back, do its homework and come up with something better within a set deadline when they find a law to be unconstitutional.

Just saying.

Curious, do your supreme judges also have the political party towards which they lean or they came from ?

 

[Red Herring]

Curious, do your supreme judges also have the political party towards which they lean or they came from ?

Not really. In order to get a 2/3 majority they all have to have a broad appeal and be politically acceptable to a wide majority. I mean, it is known who suggested them and some are more left or right than others but it is a rather mild effect and you won't hear any public discussion about leftwing or rightwing judges or the political tilt of the court. In fact in 2018 the University of Mannheim authored a study into this to see if there was a correlation between which party nominated a judge and how that judge voted (result: Yes, mildly). The fact this required a study, the first of its kind, should tell you something.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Not really. In order to get a 2/3 majority they all have to have a broad appeal and be politically acceptable to a wide majority. I mean, it is known who suggested them and some are more left or right than others but it is a rather mild effect and you won't hear any public discussion about leftwing or rightwing judges or the political tilt of the court. In fact in 2018 the University of Mannheim authored a study into this to see if there was a correlation between which party nominated a judge and how that judge voted (result: Yes, mildly). The fact this required a study, the first of its kind, should tell you something.

Ok, but my question was kinda answered in the part that a party nominates the judge. To be honest what I was truly wondering about was are they all from the two main parties or they are from other parties as well ? In my case they are all from the main two, but yes the differences are still mild and the court doesn't have too much of a say. After all there is a general consensus on most things. Especially the basics. To be honest I am often amazed how quickly on American forum I can start to look as some kinda of a radical leftists. While I am just pushing my own local consensus and public wisdom into the light. What is a thing of culture rather than textbook politics.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Of course they would gladly make that trade, since they don't have almost any genuine security at all. Considering "security" to be a dirty word is kinda crazy when you think about it. After all without security you can't really progress and if you don't progress you start to lose ground. What you just said is the main reason why I think that American culture doesn't really understand the difference between "freedom" and "you are on your own". The difference is in options that are available and desires.

my point is sort of in line with yours, these people don't know the difference. or they just want security from things that scare them, like trans high school kids, books about black kids in the old south, disney recasting animated characters with POCs, etc. Meanwhile actual security against free-market commodification of basic healthcare services, security against actual foreign threats, security against just about any actual danger is regarded as a danger in itself.