Trump followers invade the capitol

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Do you think that if there'd been no Trump then there would have been a Bernie government perhaps from real change in government?

I know you weren't asking me, but I think with no Trump, the eventual GOP nominee in 2016 would have probably been Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz or John Kasich, none of whom had Trump's populist right wing appeal. Hillary still would've won the primary against Bernie, and gone on to win the general election against a GOP candidate that would fail to excite the Republican base. Bernie would have likely declined to mount a primary challenge against a sitting Democratic President in 2020, so no, there still would be no Sanders-Turner Administration, sadly.

 

[Totenkindly]

I know you weren't asking me, but I think with no Trump, the eventual GOP nominee in 2016 would have probably been Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz or John Kasich, none of whom had Trump's populist right wing appeal. Hillary still would've won the primary against Bernie, and gone on to win the general election against a GOP candidate that would fail to excite the Republican base. Bernie would have likely declined to mount a primary challenge against a sitting Democratic President in 2020, so no, there still would be no Sanders-Turner Administration, sadly.

Agreed. I think I'd throw Rubio in that potential mix, being new blood and seemingly more facile, but he was also young, so maybe not.

 

[ceecee]

a "total failure" : Proud Boys now mock Trump

Dunno if anyone posted that already. If you can't interrupt the Javascript firewall, it essentially is "racists upset that racism was grifted by grifter-in-chief" and they see Trump as a traitor now. (In actuality, he was always gonna throw them under the bus if they failed to overturn the election.)

Oh always. That's how authoritarians turn into a dictator. And that's what Trump wanted to become so badly.

This is hilarious.

Trump discussing forming new political outfit called the Patriot Party, report says | The Independent

Except there already was a Patriot Party.

Patriot Party (1960s–1980s) - Wikipedia

The Patriot Party was an American socialist organization of the late 1960s and early 1970s that organized poor, rural whites in the Appalachian South and Pacific Northwest. The party was formed after a split with the Young Patriots Organization . The YPO's membership was drawn from street gangs of Appalachian whites in the Uptown neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois; it became politicized after working with the Young Lords, an ethnic Puerto Rican gang; and the African-American Black Panther Party.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Agreed. I think I'd throw Rubio in that potential mix, being new blood and seemingly more facile, but he was also young, so maybe not.

I bet Rubio would've been the VP choice of any of those nominees

 

[Virtual ghost]

I know you weren't asking me, but I think with no Trump, the eventual GOP nominee in 2016 would have probably been Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz or John Kasich, none of whom had Trump's populist right wing appeal. Hillary still would've won the primary against Bernie, and gone on to win the general election against a GOP candidate that would fail to excite the Republican base. Bernie would have likely declined to mount a primary challenge against a sitting Democratic President in 2020, so no, there still would be no Sanders-Turner Administration, sadly.

Perhaps, but I am fairly sure that such a big difference on republican side could have change the dynamic on the democratic side in 2016. Especially since it was fairly close and anti establishment talk would be on the left side of the playing field in this case. After all Hillary evidently got the boost with "there are insane stuff going on at the other camp" claims. However in reality we can't know this for sure, there are just too many factors and circumstances.

 

[ceecee]

I bet Rubio would've been the VP choice of any of those nominees

I agree. He would have had a chance as VP in 2016. I would be surprised if he even retains his senate seat next year.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Perhaps, but I am fairly sure that such a big difference on republican side could have change the dynamic on the democratic side in 2016. Especially since it was fairly close and anti establishment talk would be on the left side of the playing field in this case. After all Hillary evidently got the boost with "there are insane stuff going on at the other camp" claims. However in reality we can't know this for sure, there are just too many factors and circumstances.

The DNC and the old guard of the Democratic Party had wanted Hillary for years. They would have found ways to obstruct Bernie.

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I agree. He would have had a chance as VP in 2016. I would be surprised if he even retains his senate seat next year.

Barbie Trump is gonna primary him.

 

[ceecee]

Barbie Trump is gonna primary him.

Probably.

 

[Virtual ghost]

The DNC and the old guard of the Democratic Party had wanted Hillary for years. They would have found ways to obstruct Bernie.

Without Trump 2016 would be a totally different in dynamic so maybe the glass would indeed spill. Especially since it almost did anyway.
But they would try to do that, there is no doubt about that.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Without Trump 2016 would be a totally different in dynamic so maybe the glass would indeed spill. Especially since it almost did anyway.
But they would try to do that, there is no doubt about that.

They wanted her in 2008 but Obama squeaked by her. There was no way they were going to let that happen again.

 

[Virtual ghost]

They wanted her in 2008 but Obama squeaked by her. There was no way they were going to let that happen again.

What itself isn't the proof that it couldn't have happened under quite different circumstances. (especially since it already happened once)
Trying to prevent one outcome and actually preventing it are simply two different things.


Politics simply isn't 100% set in stone, even if Americans like to believe that it is.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

What itself isn't the proof that it couldn't have happened under quite different circumstances. (especially since it already happened once)
Trying to prevent one outcome and actually preventing it are simply two different things.


Politics simply isn't 100% set in stone, even if Americans like to believe that it is.

I'm not saying Bernie couldn't have done it in a Trumpless 2016, but I think it would be highly unlikely.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Trump himself personally worked on the vaccine, so he had no time to work on the distribution plan. Facts.

 

[ceecee]

Upper East Side Pickup Artist Arrested For Alleged Role In Capitol Insurrection - Gothamist

Samuel Fisher, an Upper East Side resident who appears to run a sparsely-watched YouTube channel devoted to "help[ing] men get high value girls," was taken into custody at his Yorkville home on Wednesday morning.

FBI agents recovered a cache of weapons inside the apartment, including a semiautomatic rifle, one thousand rounds of ammunition, and a bullet proof vest, according to the complaint.

While I find it amazing that anyone still thinks all this shit doesn't intersect, I haven't seen one this obvious till now.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I'm not saying Bernie couldn't have done it in a Trumpless 2016, but I think it would be highly unlikely.

And I am simply saying that his victory in this case is generally unlikely but it isn't quite unlikely.

 

[Totenkindly]

Trump himself personally worked on the vaccine his Adderall stash, so he had no time to work on the distribution plan. Facts.

fixed

 

[Lark]

Oh always. That's how authoritarians turn into a dictator. And that's what Trump wanted to become so badly.

This is hilarious.

Trump discussing forming new political outfit called the Patriot Party, report says | The Independent

Except there already was a Patriot Party.

Patriot Party (1960s–1980s) - Wikipedia

They were socialists?

Love it!

 

[ceecee]

They were socialists?

Love it!

They were a pretty dope crew. I mean we are talking about building longer tables and less walls, right? That table should include people like street gangs of Appalachian whites and The Black Panthers.

 

[Lark]

They were a pretty dope crew. I mean we are talking about building longer tables and less walls, right? That table should include people like street gangs of Appalachian whites and The Black Panthers.

I dont know what appalachian whites are but I know the black panthers from the history books and netflix.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

There were also white panthers, though they weren't white nationalists, they were white revolutionaries in support of the black panthers.