Trump followers invade the capitol

[FemMecha]

I have no words for this:
Taj Allen - These are the people we got to watch for. Smh.... | Facebook

Because she is expressing sadness and confusion, I would actually be nice to her. I see a mental health crisis happening. I would come down hard on people expressing violence, but I do think there is a large-scale mental health crisis happening in the U.S. that has been exacerbated by this Trump extremism.

I cannot evaluate everything going on with this women, but I perceive an element of infantilization, which is an issue with hierarchical power structures in humanity. These hierarchies rely on people reverting back to developmental periods of childhood where complete trust of parents was adaptive for survival. "Don't touch the hot stove because I say so" has some relevance for ages 2-5. I see a woman expressing a childlike helplessness and trust in Trump, crying that is reminiscent of childlike emotional states. It is a simplistic type of grief that is different from normal, healthy adult grief.

Why these mental conditions are so rampant in the U.S. is not something I can explain. But on one level it needs to be addressed as people whose brains are genuinely malfunctioning. There is also culpability of actions that needs to be processed through legal means, but I would like to see discussions about genuine psychological aberrations and dysfunctions and how to help people process their reality in a more healthy manner.

If I were in a room with this woman, I would attempt to calm and soothe her fear, and therapeutically over time try to bring her back to a sense of personal empowerment that is not so reliant on a political leader.

 

[Lark]

Because she is expressing sadness and confusion, I would actually be nice to her. I see a mental health crisis happening. I would come down hard on people expressing violence, but I do think there is a large-scale mental health crisis happening in the U.S. that has been exacerbated by this Trump extremism.

I cannot evaluate everything going on with this women, but I perceive an element of infantilization, which is an issue with hierarchical power structures in humanity. These hierarchies rely on people reverting back to developmental periods of childhood where complete trust of parents was adaptive for survival. "Don't touch the hot stove because I say so" has some relevance for ages 2-5. I see a woman expressing a childlike helplessness and trust in Trump, crying that is reminiscent of childlike emotional states. It is a simplistic type of grief that is different from normal, healthy adult grief.

Why these mental conditions are so rampant in the U.S. is not something I can explain. But on one level it needs to be addressed as people whose brains are genuinely malfunctioning. There is also culpability of actions that needs to be processed through legal means, but I would like to see discussions about genuine psychological aberrations and dysfunctions and how to help people process their reality in a more healthy manner.

If I were in a room with this woman, I would attempt to calm and soothe her fear, and therapeutically over time try to bring her back to a sense of personal empowerment that is not so reliant on a political leader.

I agree with all of this, really I do, although I also expect this approach to have much more currency with and because of white power and white privilege being a factor.

At least in the UK I've seen a pattern over and over of some perps being repeatedly described as mentally ill, while others are just terrorists or criminals and there's nothing more to say about it.

To be honest, I think there's always an element of mental illness. Even in regular crime. I also do agree that there is an open question as to why some societies seem to produce plenty of a particular style or type of it. A lot of the time these individuals, with these predispositions, are groomed, targeted for radicalization etc. because they are dules/vulnerable. The same happens with crime organizations too, there's not many masterminds doing time but their dupes are (some of them are paid to).

Sometimes, I wonder if an awareness/suspicion that they are being duped/a useful idiot/a pawn in someone else's cause would be enough to get people not to volunteer as henchmen but doesnt seem to. I dont think there's a modern conflict in history which you could scrutinize in which the so called "fog of war" was used as all sorts of cover for other things, usually crime, drug trafficking, people trafficking, name it. The theatre has just moved from elsewhere to the USA.

 

[Jaguar]

Because she is expressing sadness and confusion, I would actually be nice to her. I see a mental health crisis happening. I would come down hard on people expressing violence, but I do think there is a large-scale mental health crisis happening in the U.S. that has been exacerbated by this Trump extremism.

I cannot evaluate everything going on with this women, but I perceive an element of infantilization, which is an issue with hierarchical power structures in humanity. These hierarchies rely on people reverting back to developmental periods of childhood where complete trust of parents was adaptive for survival. "Don't touch the hot stove because I say so" has some relevance for ages 2-5. I see a woman expressing a childlike helplessness and trust in Trump, crying that is reminiscent of childlike emotional states. It is a simplistic type of grief that is different from normal, healthy adult grief.

Why these mental conditions are so rampant in the U.S. is not something I can explain. But on one level it needs to be addressed as people whose brains are genuinely malfunctioning. There is also culpability of actions that needs to be processed through legal means, but I would like to see discussions about genuine psychological aberrations and dysfunctions and how to help people process their reality in a more healthy manner.

If I were in a room with this woman, I would attempt to calm and soothe her fear, and therapeutically over time try to bring her back to a sense of personal empowerment that is not so reliant on a political leader.

I found this to be a a relevant Facebook response to her video:

This is why fox news need to be fined for lying. And spreading false news.

I have been thinking about FOX's role in the radicalization of the public for quite some time. If I watched it on a regular basis, I may be even more annoyed than I am when I wander on over there, periodically, just to see what crazy shit they are dishing out.

 

[ceecee]

Because she is expressing sadness and confusion, I would actually be nice to her. I see a mental health crisis happening. I would come down hard on people expressing violence, but I do think there is a large-scale mental health crisis happening in the U.S. that has been exacerbated by this Trump extremism.

I cannot evaluate everything going on with this women, but I perceive an element of infantilization, which is an issue with hierarchical power structures in humanity. These hierarchies rely on people reverting back to developmental periods of childhood where complete trust of parents was adaptive for survival. "Don't touch the hot stove because I say so" has some relevance for ages 2-5. I see a woman expressing a childlike helplessness and trust in Trump, crying that is reminiscent of childlike emotional states. It is a simplistic type of grief that is different from normal, healthy adult grief.

Why these mental conditions are so rampant in the U.S. is not something I can explain. But on one level it needs to be addressed as people whose brains are genuinely malfunctioning. There is also culpability of actions that needs to be processed through legal means, but I would like to see discussions about genuine psychological aberrations and dysfunctions and how to help people process their reality in a more healthy manner.

If I were in a room with this woman, I would attempt to calm and soothe her fear, and therapeutically over time try to bring her back to a sense of personal empowerment that is not so reliant on a political leader.

I saw it on Matthew Sheffield's TL and he's totally right on with this video and the ideology that created it.

Conservative elites spent 60 years poisoning GOP voters' minds w/lies about gay militias, terrorist minorities, socialism, & atheist devils.

The net effects were visible on 1/6 but also in the video below.

The people harmed the most by Trump & the GOP are their own supporters.

https://twitter.com/mattsheffield/status/1352270225589248004

Conservatism needs to be stood on and never allowed to rise up again.

 

[Jaguar]

Populism needs to be stood on and never allowed to rise up again.

 

[ceecee]

Populism needs to be stood on and never allowed to rise up again.

Why do you have so much dislike for the hoi polloi? Populism simply means a political approach that appeals to ordinary people and their concerns. Conservatism is an ideology that became a political and social philosophy.

 

[Jaguar]

Why do you have so much dislike for the hoi polloi? Populism simply means a political approach that appeals to ordinary people and their concerns. Conservatism is an ideology that became a political and social philosophy.

I'm an ordinary person. So are you. Bernie did a hell of a number on your noggin.

 

[Red Herring]

Why do you have so much dislike for the hoi polloi? Populism simply means a political approach that appeals to ordinary people and their concerns. Conservatism is an ideology that became a political and social philosophy.

There seem to be several definitions of populism going around. One is a more general sense of anything appealing to a large crowd. Another one, which I have seen used by political scientists and which makes more sense to me ad it is more specific and thus more useful in discussions, is an ideology or rhetoric dividing a population into an evil elite (which is perceived as foreign in one way or another) and a mythical uniform mass called "the people" where "the people" tend to all have a similar background, similar outlook, similar needs and similar opinions. Anyone disagreeing is obviously not part of "the people" but an enemy and a traitor of "the people". Populist parties and politicians usually claim to be the only ones defending the interest of "the people". This "people" is often defined in opposition to ethnic, religious or other minorities explicitely not belonging to "the people"

Another hallmark is simplistic analysis and simplistic solutions, a general aversion to both complexity and compromise.

Populism tends to be antiintellectual and anti-science because those academics, artists and thinkers are out of touch with "the people" and their natural instincts.

Populism in this sense can be both left wing or right wing and even weird querfront style combinations are possible, but it is almost always authoritarian and living on division and hostility towards the perceived "other".

As a German I am wary of it.

 

[The Cat]

A great man once said: "I pity the fool." I pitty all the fools who thought this was their moment. When all those years of watching braveheart and the other patriotic movies that they inundated with, the years of hearing about martyrs and revolutionaries saving the day for losers like them. I pity the fools that believed that this was the asshole that was worth their fire. -_-

Those poor bastards...

 

[The Cat]

 

[The Cat]

You'd think this would have been a great selling point for medicare for all with such a great need for more accessible, and effective mental health care in the country. Undiagnosed and poorly treated madness has been a misdirected pandemic here for far longer than covid, or anything else...

 

[Nicodemus]

I am not miserable actually, and lead a pretty comfortable life.

Then you hide it pretty well.

 

[FemMecha]

I can definitely see this happening for some because people are notoriously fickle. I also have a disturbed undercurrent of a feeling that it is also a way to try to deflate the movement which could go in different directions right now. I have read that these movements are splitting between people adhering and those leaving. It's important to keep an eye on it. I don't think it can end and deflate this easily, unless it really was like a reality game.

Because I lived with someone for six years who was at the beginnings of QAnon and now an avid follower, I did notice that the level of horror they would talk about and process - children being raped, sacrificed, and eaten by political leaders - did not equate to how they processed other horrors. The individual I knew was very avoidant of all conflict and negativity and looked at actual reality through rose colored glasses and wanting everything easy. He was particularly dismissive of any pain or negativity I experienced. None of it was real. He was obsessed with these horrors, but psychologically I think it is similar to playing a reality game or watching a horror movie. There was an entertainment value to it. I do think that is a significant component to QAnon large scale, but it also forms a deep obsession. There will be a need to replace or reframe it. I don't know if it can dissipate unless an actual game or TV series can replace it. I think the reality game immersion will likely need to be replaced into that same context.

Everyone is done playing "Satanists in the Matrix" and now they are ready for the next reality game.

 

[Maou]

Then you hide it pretty well.

What is the purpose of such an inquiry? Are you implying misery or happiness is somehow a scale in which to gauge the validity of your political ideologies?

 

[Jaguar]

I have no sympathy for people who are suddenly seeing him as others could see him from the start. They created the wild fantasies in their head, let them suffer the consequences for doing so.

 

[The Cat]

I have no sympathy for people who are suddenly seeing him as others could see him from the start. They created the wild fantasies in their head, let them suffer the consequences for doing so.

I can appreciate the tragic irony. Much as the sympathy of the narrator in the old Rod Sterling vignettes: Submitted for your consideration; your neighbors, and coworkers, perhaps even your family; for the last four years have been gripped with a madness beyond comprehension, whipped up into a final frenzy their fury unleashed by a Charlatan; and now after the sound, and the fury which regardless what it signified, accomplished nothing, the high emotions have begun to pass and sobriety begins to return as the furor of frenzy fades and the consequences of cold reality creep in, a chilling reminder to all of us that even misguided actions come with consequences even beyond the bounds of...The Twilight Zone.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

WaPo: She flew in a private jet to participate in the Capitol riot. Now she is asking for donations to cover her legal fees.

Lol.

 

[FemMecha]

WaPo: She flew in a private jet to participate in the Capitol riot. Now she is asking for donations to cover her legal fees.

Lol.

Too bad she didn't sell the jet so she could pay the $2 million pardon fee to Trump.

 

[ceecee]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Former President Donald Trump’s campaign paid more than $2.7 million to individuals and firms that organized the Jan. 6 rally that led to violent rioters storming the U.S. Capitol, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

I'm shocked.

 

[The Cat]