Random Politics Thread

[Jaguar]

How about if we just delete Twitter. Think of all the toxic shit that would have its oxygen supply cut off.

 

[ceecee]

How about if we just delete Twitter. Think of all the toxic shit that would have its oxygen supply cut off.

Facebook first.

 

[The Cat]

 

[The Cat]

there are some pretty high stakes games of stone, parchment, shears over who get to poke the bear first with the news...

 

[Mind Maverick]

there are some pretty high stakes games of stone, parchment, shears over who get to poke the bear first with the news...

You sure it's a bear? 😏

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You sure it's a bear? 😏

"Is that some kind of Eastern thing?" "Far from it."

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

This guy is all over my Facebook feed, along with "Bad things happen in Philadelphia."

I guess he came through in the end.

 

[Mind Maverick]

These are some hardcore fucking enablers.

 

[Totenkindly]

These are some hardcore fucking enablers.

Isn't that wild?

It's literally like my experiences at Pentacostal or apostolic/prophetic churches.

It's like they're praying victory down on Trump and maybe even speaking in tongues (but I couldn't hear the sound well).

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

Isn't that wild?

It's literally like my experiences at Pentacostal or apostolic/prophetic churches.

It's like they're praying victory down on Trump and maybe even speaking in tongues (but I couldn't hear the sound well).

Have you seen the video of Paula White?

I grew up Pentecostal and I’m so tempted to go to church tomorrow just to see the reactions.
It was epic when Obama won, I can only imagine how it is now.

 

[Totenkindly]

Have you seen the video of Paula White?

I grew up Pentecostal and I’m so tempted to go to church tomorrow just to see the reactions.
It was epic when Obama won, I can only imagine how it is now.

I didn't watch it, but I did see people passing around that video this week of her doing something wacky.

I had just looked up her ministry beliefs right before posting (since I knew she was Trump's "spiritual advisor" -- damn, either she sucks or he's just a lost cause because... srsly?), but I didn't find anything that leaped out in two minutes. I guess I should have watched the video, I thought she might be in that group.

It depresses me that she's married to Jonathan Cain. Another part of my nostalgic adolescence, ruined forever.

EDIT: Lots of goodies in here.
Paula White - Wikipedia


PS. I will give you $20 to go to church tomorrow and secretly video it on your cell phone.

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

I didn't watch it, but I did see people passing around that video this week of her doing something wacky.

I had just looked up her ministry beliefs right before posting (since I knew she was Trump's "spiritual advisor" -- damn, either she sucks or he's just a lost cause because... srsly?), but I didn't find anything that leaped out in two minutes. I guess I should have watched the video, I thought she might be in that group.

It depresses me that she's married to Jonathan Cain. Another part of my nostalgic adolescence, ruined forever.

EDIT: Lots of goodies in here.
Paula White - Wikipedia


PS. I will give you $20 to go to church tomorrow and secretly video it on your cell phone.

If they weren’t all covidiots who held a super spreader revival last week, I’d take you up on that.

 

[Mind Maverick]

Isn't that wild?

It's literally like my experiences at Pentacostal or apostolic/prophetic churches.

It's like they're praying victory down on Trump and maybe even speaking in tongues (but I couldn't hear the sound well).

Yeah, my parents were Pentacostal and I experienced this at the churches I grew up going to as well. I don't understand how people can even see anything of value in Trump, much less be this fervent, or even further than that: practically worship the guy like QAnon. QAnon doesn't need Trump, they need a psychiatric evaluation.

 

[Red Memories]

They believe the propaganda that the severe liberal SJWs will make us like Canada where parts of the Bible will be suppressed as a form of hate speech. That their religious freedoms will be trampled and they will be extremely persecuted. They also are sick of the people making faith out to be the flying spaghetti monster and these people usually are hardcore leftists as well who suggest religious people are the worst thing to exist and the only way to freedom is to take out religion.

It is misunderstandings and propaganda. But Trump paraded on this fear and made them believe he would somehow protect them, which I know my mother mentioned from her orthodox threads that the spiritual fathers were trying to remind people that no politician would save them from something like that if it was in God's time, and that they shouldn't worship any man as a savior. I think other church leaders encouraged the viewpoint of Trump as being on their side though, rather than discouraging a worship of political figures as some sort of savior. Technically, the way these people treat Trump as a savior is a sinful idolatry. But aye, what do I know, I'm a heretic in my own faith most of the time lol.

 

[Lark]

Its kind of cool that the ranting against socialism, anarchism, communism by paranoid right wing types has got people talking about those things again.

Alright its a lot of crap most of the time or pretty niche stuff but whatever.

 

[Lark]

They believe the propaganda that the severe liberal SJWs will make us like Canada where parts of the Bible will be suppressed as a form of hate speech. That their religious freedoms will be trampled and they will be extremely persecuted. They also are sick of the people making faith out to be the flying spaghetti monster and these people usually are hardcore leftists as well who suggest religious people are the worst thing to exist and the only way to freedom is to take out religion.

It is misunderstandings and propaganda. But Trump paraded on this fear and made them believe he would somehow protect them, which I know my mother mentioned from her orthodox threads that the spiritual fathers were trying to remind people that no politician would save them from something like that if it was in God's time, and that they shouldn't worship any man as a savior. I think other church leaders encouraged the viewpoint of Trump as being on their side though, rather than discouraging a worship of political figures as some sort of savior. Technically, the way these people treat Trump as a savior is a sinful idolatry. But aye, what do I know, I'm a heretic in my own faith most of the time lol.

I dont like the "saviour complex" or "messiah complex" of most people who expect someone else, a leader of some sort, to come with all the answers for them.

That's been the scourge of both the left and the right, on the left it underwent a bunch of incarnations, vanguardism, personality cults, straight forward cultism of the Jim Jones type (he did have a confused left wing message, just as Koresh had a confused right wing one), Erich Fromm convincingly wrote about how a lot of left wing revolutionaries thought of their revolutionary hopes in the same way as precursors had "the second coming of Christ" or "the messianic time" and he highlighted all the issues with that.

I am religious and I dont mind the whole confused AF SJW strategy, religion actually thrives under that sort of pressure, most of them were born of persecution and could return to what they once promised to me if some of that re-emerged.

Likewise the whole spaghetti monster stuff, I dont worry about that type of thing, people can have a laugh if they like, there's nothing wrong with that and I suspect God does not mind about it half as much as they do rape, murder, crime proper and anti-social behaviour.

In any case I dont believe electing someone is going to change that, especially not someone who appears to have the values that Trump did, not even as a protest and I do feel like protesting against some of the more confused and confusing content of the SJW messages. I really dont believe that they realize the harm they do to themselves and everyone else in the hope of doing something good.

All the focus on private belief systems, which should be private, trying to police peoples thoughts and personal convictions by pressure or one thing or another is all a serious and deliberate diversionary tactic and deflection away from any discussion of wealth generation and distribution, population, demographic shifts.

 

[Lark]

If they weren’t all covidiots who held a super spreader revival last week, I’d take you up on that.

I wish the media was better that tracking stories like that properly, covering spread and stories about how people convinced of it all being a hoax cope with becoming sick or having friends, family, social contacts becoming sick.

 

[ceecee]

They believe the propaganda that the severe liberal SJWs will make us like Canada where parts of the Bible will be suppressed as a form of hate speech. That their religious freedoms will be trampled and they will be extremely persecuted. They also are sick of the people making faith out to be the flying spaghetti monster and these people usually are hardcore leftists as well who suggest religious people are the worst thing to exist and the only way to freedom is to take out religion.

I am absolutely tired of hearing this kind of ignorance aimed at the left. I have seriously never heard an American, not even a communist, say any of the things you are claiming here. The right have used the religious rights being trampled argument for years and years. Same as Obama was taking all the guns when in reality he expanded gun owners rights. Maybe it would be helpful if they picked up another book beyond the bible.

The Canada thing is hilarious.

 

[ceecee]

Great article and site about online gifting and grifters. Tim Pool is one of my favorites.

Rise of the Grifter: A Tim Pool Biography - Grftr

 

[Red Memories]

I am absolutely tired of hearing this kind of ignorance aimed at the left. I have seriously never heard an American, not even a communist, say any of the things you are claiming here. The right have used the religious rights being trampled argument for years and years. Same as Obama was taking all the guns when in reality he expanded gun owners rights. Maybe it would be helpful if they picked up another book beyond the bible.

The Canada thing is hilarious.

I'm merely stating the propaganda. This is the Canada thing I refer to Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a 'Hate Crime' | Christian News Network

And these outlets push stuff like this while pushing themselves as reliable news sources. I am not sure if it is true or not myself, but I admit it makes me question how well I'd be accepted in Canada if I said I were a Christian. But most of the time I face implications that people assume I am anti-LGBT, misogynistic, etc. because my belief in Christianity.... I do get tired of that being assumed about me but I also realize it is a reference to what has been christianity for a long time.

They are also associating the left with those people online who think public prayer should be banned because their kids or them might feel the peer pressure to pray. Or public displays of faith for that matter. If I want to wear my faith I should be able to, and if they want to wear their lack of faith they can too. But don't tell me not to live my life.
The instance above is ACTUALLY someone I spoke to online. Which in reality I think the adverse nature of discussions online with young people and misinformed "trolls" create far more trouble than they help. Social media in the form of twitter and etc. feels like a mistake of humanity sometimes....It IS ridiculous.

I wouldn't suggest though that communists nations don't do this. Just because they do not say it, does not mean they do not persecute religious people from time to time. Red China upon its instatement introduced a great deal of religious persecution. But religious persecution is actually more in line with authoritarian fascists states. Fascists want people to worship and believe in their state, and religion prevents that sort of worship most of the time, so they usually suppress or ban religions.

In the age of information it is also easy to see how misinformation actually destroys understanding. I am aware there's a thread before for this kind of thing though. But I find it also difficult how obvious it is for one, that people are very manipulated by media and what they see online whether it is true or false. People sometimes choose their bias, their outlet, and allow themselves to become brainwashed by it. I suppose I find it sad to see my mother falling into it after she raised me to question everything, even the authority telling me the thing. To never blindly believe something. But I think she believes a lot of these things because the way anti-theists (I do not call atheists who feel a need to come out and insult every christian they see, atheists. If you try to remove religion you are an anti-theistic person. Don't call yourself an innocent atheist.) attack her and other christians online. This is the sort of thing I think a lot of them refer to as censorship moreso than twitter itself or anyone ACTUALLY censoring people. There is a hunk of bullies, yes I shall call them bullies because they
1. Never want to actually discuss their points to make you know what or why they believe what they do.
2. They destroy positive discussions with quick, aggressive quips of no content and personal attacks instead, suggesting someone thinking differently from them in any way implies a negative person worthy of being attacked.
3. They often start as one and develop a group, where they all gang up on one or two people so they cannot actually speak.
4. Moderation often enables this and punishes the people who were victimized for speaking in the first place.

Stating yeah I'm a Christian and I don't know how I feel about this is a lot different from "oh you believe in that bullshit?" and then posting 200 insult memes. Cancel culture and the attempt of these groups online to decide for themselves what you can say or cannot say, what you can believe or not believe, etc. has created a big counterprotesting to this. Julius Vanderbeek spoke of it briefly elsewhere but this was a huge thing coming into 2016 and I think this is why a lot of people did want Trump. He is everything those online people attacking everyone hated. It is TERRIBLE logic. I dislike these people also but I voted for both Clinton and Biden. I cannot muster in my head how someone being as hateful as those people is the solution to those people. But at the same time, perhaps I am too bold, but I also refuse to be silenced by these people. Some internet keyboard warriors do not get to decide. But everyone gives these people coverage as the faces of the left, in the propaganda media, so everyone assumes those people ARE the left. to the point I keep trying to tell my grandfather not everyone voting democrat is actually one of those people. They're loud and I don't even consider them leftists because they are actively for censorship. Of course these people will tell you they ARE enlightened leftists, but there are many leftists completely against censorship.

I sort of got on a tirade here and I'm not sure I made sense but I am speaking as someone who at one point did kind of question this propaganda. Who because the way I was treated for my faith DID feel persecuted online because I did face a lot of heat and assumption, and I would often be okay until I leaned a little too on my faith in a discussion where all the insults would come out and be used as a reason to see me as an evil person. I don't find you evil if you don't believe in God, so it does kind of hurt. But hurt feelings don't involve facts either. I think it is important to challenge biases and not live in an echo chamber. I think that's why while I strongly disagree with Trump, I also, avoiding a confirmation bias, have tried to actively listen. So I have a small perspective, albeit small, why some people choose Trump over another person. Most of these Trump people may be quieter. They may not want to even publicly admit in 2016 they DID vote for Trump. But it was a sort of outrage retaliation to outrage culture that they felt Obama enabled and somewhat even created. I think Obama didn't enabled or create anything. He just did absolutely nothing about it. But I'm not sure he could. Just like I am not sure Biden will actually do anything. At the same time, I think I'm okay with 4 years of nothing after 4 years of chaos.

I guess I wanted to understand, outside my conservative grandfather who thinks all the current dems are horridly trying to destroy the country, which I realize many of them do, what makes someone go Trump or feel this.

and I often find it refers back to propaganda sort of media with heavy biases on coverage, and the way people treat others with the anonymous nature of the internet. To say cruel ruthless things without empathy, which the reality is the Newton law still exists.
For every reaction, you can receive an equal opposite reaction. So the way some of these people are treated for things that just...god it doesn't matter...they created an opposite reaction.

Our country became hateful and we got the most hateful President we could have. I am hoping Biden reminds us to show care, peace, etc. and can try to bring us back together. But I have a bad feeling that is not going to happen. But my mind is convinced our division is now TOO deep and we are going to have civil war whether we want it or not.