The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

In my book the starting idea wasn't bad, turning Afghanistan into a stable democracy is a worthy goal. However the strategy was a total miss, since nothing really was invested into the fundamental development of the country. What then opened the path for permanent conflict. While development would probably even save money since this mess would have probably ended long time ago. I mean after a certain point this was a problem that you can't rally solve with guns, especially if you don't want to do massive war crimes. Iraq was basically the exact same story, something should have been built on the ruins of the regime.

turning it into a stable democracy was never the real goal, and even if it was, is it really the USA's place to dictate how other nations should govern themselves? I think they need to find their own way. There is a natural progression or course a nation like Afghanistan can take to become a democracy, but they have to find it on their own.

I can see exceptions, for instance we effectively converted Japan into a democratic nation, but that was a much different nation to work with. They were already largely modernized and moving to their current system wasn't as huge a leap--their culture was also a little more primed for the democratic, capitalist models than Afghanistan presently is. We also invested way more resources into Japan than we did into Afghanistan.

 

[Virtual ghost]

turning it into a stable democracy was never the real goal, and even if it was, is it really the USA's place to dictate how other nations should govern themselves? I think they need to find their own way. There is a natural progression or course a nation like Afghanistan can take to become a democracy, but they have to find it on their own.

I can see exceptions, for instance we effectively converted Japan into a democratic nation, but that was a much different nation to work with. They were already largely modernized and moving to their current system wasn't as huge a leap--their culture was also a little more primed for the democratic, capitalist models than Afghanistan presently is. We also invested way more resources into Japan than we did into Afghanistan.

But if that wasn't really the goal what you were really doing there for almost 20 years ? Why have you created and supported the government of Afghanistan ?


Anyway this isn't how this game works since we are talking about Eurasian landmass here. Over which troops are marching left and right for thousands of years and here libertarian stuff don't apply or work. Here your country can be attacked or lured into alliance at anytime (for various reasons). Therefore those that are too independent are likely to be the first target of some political pact. In other words if you will not push for democracy in a country like this someone else will push their agenda. From what I have seen on TV the leader of the rebels thanked countries like Russia and China for making this deal possible. What is possible since the Afghanistan is surrounded by China, Ex-Ussr countries as well as their allies Iran and Pakistan. Therefore expecting that Afghanistan will find their own path is naive. Especially since country has "observer and potential member" status in Shanghai Cooperation organization. Which is something like China led EU.

In a way this is exactly why this wasn't really winable war, since it is just too deep in the hostile region.
This is why I am constantly telling you that your individualism may doom you since globalization and modern technologies have blown your isolation cover and now you will have to play this thousand years old game like the rest of us. USA was build/founded as a contrast to the old world but globalization and technology simply made it a part of the old world by closing the distances. Therefore you will just have to adapt to this new reality. Since we are in a new cold war regardless of the fact that some people don't want to accept it. In other words everything you do not take will eventually be taken by someone else and it will be used against you. China learned how to game your Capitalism while Russia learned how to game your political processes, and they will both use those skills since neither cares about your laws, ideals, traditions etc. I mean this is indeed brutal argument to make but Eurasia is simply the land of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Bin laden, Mussolini, Genghis khan, Roman empire, Putin, Islam, Pol pot, Milosevic, Napoleon, .... etc.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq. But people seem to be under the impression that it means the troops are pulling out.

What, deprive the military contractors, third party posers and corporations an income? That's crazy talk.

Ok, because USA and allies aren't doing too well in even wider set of conflicts. Like Venezuela, NK, Iran, Yemen, Ukraine etc.


Btw. my government will also be pulling out of the Afghanistan, once USA leaves there is no point in staying there. However what exactly will happen to the country remains to be seen.

 

[Jaguar]

Trump's State of Emergency is an Admission of Failure | Time

One month before the first COVID-19 cases emerged in China, the Washington think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies published the results of a two-year study conducted by a blue-ribbon panel of former members of Congress, public health experts, and former U.S. and military officials. The conclusions weren’t pretty. “The American people are far from safe,” they wrote. “The United States must either pay now and gain protection and security or wait for the next epidemic and pay a much greater price in human and economic costs.”

Obama’s Ebola Czar on How Trump Bungled Coronavirus Response

So what worries you most when you look at the current administration’s handling of this?

I think there are problems of competence, and there are problems of confidence. On the competence side, this testing fiasco is a fiasco of the first order. Any hope we had of isolating the disease — preventing its widespread transmission in the U.S. — rested on quickly testing people to identify where the disease is and who has it. And the administration made much of their policy of excluding some travelers from China, and whatever you think of that policy, it was always doomed to fail eventually. It bought time, not protection. And then they didn’t use the time that it bought to get this testing thing sorted out. So when you wake up in the morning and you see that 150,000 people have been tested in South Korea and fewer than probably 4- or 5,000 were tested here, that’s a failure of execution. There’s no technology or special skills they have in South Korea we don’t have in the United States. And so that’s a giant failure.

 

[Tomb1]

As a general rule of thumb, be angry! Do not to opt for the masochistic strategy of reframing the isolation as some opportunity for self-growth. Taking it on the chin and falling back on empty "tough guy" platitudes or naive "American dream" false hope rubbish is escapist garbage. Look at where Trump's empty platitudes and false hopes got the country (and him).

As a specific rule of thumb, be angry at Trump. Be angry that Trump misled the country when, as COVID-19 was still very much actively among members of the population and seeking new human hosts to infect, Trump ignorantly declared that the ""The risk to the American people remains very low."

Survive and sustain, but be angry about it, as angry as you would be if Trump tossed you into Jail for a crime you did not commit. Be angry that Trump prolonged the duration of this pandemic here in the states through both his willful failure to act sooner and outright misleading statement that the risk remained very low and all was under control (thereby giving people no reason to refrain from close interactions and crowded places)...Remember, none of this is going to make the nation stronger at the end of the day-- but only broker, sicker and deader. So pick up a pitchfork and make dummy trump pay for it on election day!

 

[ceecee]

As a general rule of thumb, be angry! Do not to opt for the masochistic strategy of reframing the isolation as some opportunity for self-growth. Taking it on the chin and falling back on empty "tough guy" platitudes or naive "American dream" false hope rubbish is escapist garbage. Look at where Trump's empty platitudes and false hopes got the country (and him).

As a specific rule of thumb, be angry at Trump. Be angry that Trump misled the country when, as COVID-19 was still very much actively among members of the population and seeking new human hosts to infect, Trump ignorantly declared that the ""The risk to the American people remains very low."

Survive and sustain, but be angry about it, as angry as you would be if Trump tossed you into Jail for a crime you did not commit. Be angry that Trump prolonged the duration of this pandemic here in the states through both his willful failure to act sooner and outright misleading statement that the risk remained very low and all was under control (thereby giving people no reason to refrain from close interactions and crowded places)...Remember, none of this is going to make the nation stronger at the end of the day-- but only broker, sicker and deader. So pick up a pitchfork and make dummy trump pay for it on election day.

If anyone would like some help being angry, here ya go.

DOJ Wants to Suspend Constitutional Rights for Coronavirus Emergency - Rolling Stone

Keep in mind (for the younger people here) these proposals are meant to be permanent. Think The Patriot Act, Iraq war, NSA surveillance of Americans, The Department of Homeland Security.... Do not give these fuckers an inch or you will have the full blown fascist regime the Trump administration always knew they could be if they could distract us enough.

 

[Maou]

As a general rule of thumb, be angry! Do not to opt for the masochistic strategy of reframing the isolation as some opportunity for self-growth. Taking it on the chin and falling back on empty "tough guy" platitudes or naive "American dream" false hope rubbish is escapist garbage. Look at where Trump's empty platitudes and false hopes got the country (and him).

As a specific rule of thumb, be angry at Trump. Be angry that Trump misled the country when, as COVID-19 was still very much actively among members of the population and seeking new human hosts to infect, Trump ignorantly declared that the ""The risk to the American people remains very low."

Survive and sustain, but be angry about it, as angry as you would be if Trump tossed you into Jail for a crime you did not commit. Be angry that Trump prolonged the duration of this pandemic here in the states through both his willful failure to act sooner and outright misleading statement that the risk remained very low and all was under control (thereby giving people no reason to refrain from close interactions and crowded places)...Remember, none of this is going to make the nation stronger at the end of the day-- but only broker, sicker and deader. So pick up a pitchfork and make dummy trump pay for it on election day!

I don't care what you think about Trump, but the president saying anything but "Its gonna be okay" would result in disaster. People still freaked out after he downplayed it. Imagine if he said something like "we're all gonna fucking die". No leader should ever show weakness or fear. Your hatred has blinded you from common sense. You and a few others. The last thing you should be worried about right now is Trump's personality. Because action wise, he is doing only slightly better than any other country right now. China hid this shit from the world for months, till it leaked online. Be angry at them for causing this with their lack of safety regulations, and wild game trade.

 

[ceecee]

I don't care what you think about Trump, but the president saying anything but "Its gonna be okay" would result in disaster. People still freaked out after he downplayed it. Imagine if he said something like "we're all gonna fucking die". No leader should ever show weakness or fear. Your hatred has blinded you from common sense. You and a few others. The last thing you should be worried about right now is Trump's personality. Because action wise, he is doing only slightly better than any other country right now. China hid this shit from the world for months, till it leaked online. Be angry at them for causing this with their lack of safety regulations, and wild game trade.

Is being angry at China going to help anything in the US? No it's not. You simply have a problem with people blaming Trump for anything.

 

[Maou]

Is being angry at China going to help anything in the US? No it's not. You simply have a problem with people blaming Trump for anything.

Is being angry at Trump any better? I am annoyed that even in the time of crisis, that people are blaming it all on Trump. Get fucking real. He had a slow response yes, but this is relatively unprecidented and he is full force now. 55% of Americans now approve of his handling of the pandemic. Bill Gates warned USA in 2015 about this pandemic possibility, and the world not being prepared. So its no ones real fault but China's for being unhygenic. What I am really pissed about, what I am so sick of...is the "Trump this, Trump that, Trump did everything wrong" bullshit day after fucking day. Move the fuck on with your lives already. If you spent as much time as you did talking about Trump, planting trees or some shit. The world would be better for both of us. Do you think I enjoy jumping in here to say oppositional view points? Someone gotta break up the fucking wank ring you guys got here. Hardly any of you are fair people on the other side. Because the moment someone fucks up, it just devolves once more into he said, she said bullshit. Day after fucking day. You'd think for a moment, because the world is going to shit, people could learn to fucking stop bickering and nitpicking every damn thing people do. Fuck, maybe humanity is better off dying. You people are depressing.

 

[Sabbathhhank]

Did I just stumble into a den of communists?

 

[Sabbathhhank]

Is being angry at Trump any better? I am annoyed that even in the time of crisis, that people are blaming it all on Trump. Get fucking real. He had a slow response yes, but this is relatively unprecidented and he is full force now. 55% of Americans now approve of his handling of the pandemic. Bill Gates warned USA in 2015 about this pandemic possibility, and the world not being prepared. So its no ones real fault but China's for being unhygenic. What I am really pissed about, what I am so sick of...is the "Trump this, Trump that, Trump did everything wrong" bullshit day after fucking day. Move the fuck on with your lives already. If you spent as much time as you did talking about Trump, planting trees or some shit. The world would be better for both of us. Do you think I enjoy jumping in here to say oppositional view points? Someone gotta break up the fucking wank ring you guys got here. Hardly any of you are fair people on the other side. Because the moment someone fucks up, it just devolves once more into he said, she said bullshit. Day after fucking day. You'd think for a moment, because the world is going to shit, people could learn to fucking stop bickering and nitpicking every damn thing people do. Fuck, maybe humanity is better off dying. You people are depressing.

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[Nicodemus]

Is being angry at Trump any better? I am annoyed that even in the time of crisis, that people are blaming it all on Trump. Get fucking real. He had a slow response yes, but this is relatively unprecidented and he is full force now. 55% of Americans now approve of his handling of the pandemic. Bill Gates warned USA in 2015 about this pandemic possibility, and the world not being prepared. So its no ones real fault but China's for being unhygenic. What I am really pissed about, what I am so sick of...is the "Trump this, Trump that, Trump did everything wrong" bullshit day after fucking day. Move the fuck on with your lives already. If you spent as much time as you did talking about Trump, planting trees or some shit. The world would be better for both of us. Do you think I enjoy jumping in here to say oppositional view points? Someone gotta break up the fucking wank ring you guys got here. Hardly any of you are fair people on the other side. Because the moment someone fucks up, it just devolves once more into he said, she said bullshit. Day after fucking day. You'd think for a moment, because the world is going to shit, people could learn to fucking stop bickering and nitpicking every damn thing people do. Fuck, maybe humanity is better off dying. You people are depressing.

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[Tomb1]

26,000+ positives and growing... "The risk to the American people remains very low!!"

 

[Tomb1]

Well...190,000+ cases later (weeks and weeks of torture for people who took Trump at his word that the risk of infection is very low), including the anticipated surge of deaths which will make the current number of deaths (4,000+) look tiny, Trump finally accepts and concedes that his preciously held onto doctrine of herd immunity is nothing more than a quack science, and that his analogies to the flu are completely absurd. But Trump's conversion isn't based on the discovery of new information about COVID-19. All the stuff they know now about Coronavirus' rapid transmission had already been well-researched, well-documented, and well-established by Chinese scientists on February 9, 2020. Rather, its more like Trump finally snapped out of a self-induced coma. Better Trump snapped out of it later rather than never, but as the leader of the country he's supposed to be ahead of the curve on all this, not the last guy in the Country to finally grasp the situation....As I said on the "Dummy Trump" thread, if his fatal errors in judgment does not go down in history as one of the great examples of presidential incompetence, nothing does...

Trump Confronts a New Reality Before an Expected Wave of Disease and Death

 

[Deprecator]

Well...190,000+ cases later (weeks and weeks of torture for people who took Trump at his word that the risk of infection is very low)

Not to mention the trauma experienced by those who blindly believed all the lies and propaganda the CDC has been feeding us for years.

"The federal government and public health system have been preparing for an outbreak like this for years. All of the pandemic planning we have done for influenza is a foundation for our response to this virus. Because of the preparation, the CDC remains vocal that Americans do not have to fear exposure. At this time in the U.S., the virus is not spreading in the community ... the risk remains low."

— Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, at a press briefing.

his analogies to the flu are completely absurd.

"At the moment, the influenza outbreak is more dangerous to Americans. The CDC says flu activity remains high — this season so far has an estimated 15 million illnesses, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths (including 54 children) in the U.S. as of Jan. 18.

Absolutely, the flu is a bigger risk for Americans than the coronavirus."

— Melissa Nolan, an infectious disease expert, tells Axios.

Coronavirus' rapid transmission had already been well-researched, well-documented, and well-established by Chinese scientists on February 9, 2020

Last I checked Trump had restricted travel from China well before this date, and in response many pundits within left-wing media took the opportunity to call him a racist. Heck, on the very same day Trump imposed the travel restrictions even Biden took the opportunity to criticize Trump for his "record of hysteria and xenophobia." Just goes to show that it really doesn't matter how perfectly his response aligns with scientific consensus or how many lives it saves -- the left just keeps parroting nonsensical claims of racism.

 

[Jaguar]

Not to mention the trauma experienced by those who blindly believed all the lies and propaganda the CDC has been feeding us for years.

"The federal government and public health system have been preparing for an outbreak like this for years. All of the pandemic planning we have done for influenza is a foundation for our response to this virus. Because of the preparation, the CDC remains vocal that Americans do not have to fear exposure. At this time in the U.S., the virus is not spreading in the community ... the risk remains low."

— Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, at a press briefing.

Feb 26, 2020:

We are doing this with the goal of slowing the introduction of this new virus into the U.S. And buying us more time to prepare. To date, our containment strategies have been largely successful. As a result, we have very few cases in the United States and no spread in the community. But as more and more countries experience community spread, successful containment at our borders becomes harder and harder. Ultimately, we expect we will see community spread in this country. It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness.

 

[Deprecator]

Feb 26, 2020:

And here she is again 3 days ago:

Thank you to all the healthcare workers that are working around the clock to care for and protect our loved ones every day. We appreciate all you do

 

[Jaguar]

And here she is again 3 days ago:

Good.

 

[Deprecator]

Good.

Exactly.

 

[Jaguar]

Michael Cohen released from federal prison over coronavirus concerns

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