Trump vs. Bernie

[Maou]

Perhaps you can give it a third thought, because the second one is really pathetic for a grown man who could know better.

That is not how socialized medicine works! Why do you think Brits and Germans think you are all crazy for refusing it?

Because John Oliver is a certified economics advisor. You should not be listening to a comedian to figure out how things are going to work. He isn't even funny.

 

[ceecee]

Because John Oliver is a certified economics advisor. You should not be listening to a comedian to figure out how things are going to work. He isn't even funny.

You're actually going to complain that someone with no qualifications whatsoever is speaking, with a straight face?

 

[Jaguar]

You should not be listening to a comedian to figure out how things are going to work.

A real estate agent from Queens with multiple bankruptcies is no better. He isn't even funny.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Others who live under "socialized medicine" systems have already clarified the reality of how care is provided there.

The model is pretty simple, you have to constantly give some money into the system if you have a job. However you know that you, your family, your fiends, coworkers, people in public spaces, and people that serve you food in a restaurant are covered. What is lowering social tensions and stress. Plus if you become unemployed you have the right to seek medical help at anytime and then in a way it is really free (just when you need it). The same goes for scenarios that you lose your job because you have become too sick. The life has enough challenges that you shouldn't worry even about this kind of stuff. Sickness itself or in the family is stressful enough as it is. While my country has extra bonus that collage students don't have to pay at all for those few years, so that they can focus on studding. I don't have any kind of health plan or paper work, when I am sick I simply go to the doctor. Plus prescription drugs have always been max about 10$ out of the pocket. The last one was 1.30$, what is peanuts even by my local standards.



In my country center right started some experiments with American way of doing this as well as making mistakes. Therefore now the left is "cleaning" them all over the map/elections. Also nationalists have given up on them, accused them that they are "stupid globalists" and openly started their own block. Plus in the party itself there is open rebellion that fights for the salvation of the party. This isn't just about healthcare but healthcare is good chunk of the problem on the table. You just can't toy with this since someone will die for real due to this. However through elections or even snap elections we can control that this doesn't go really south. Even if all parties agree that this should be abolished, we have multiparty system and therefore we can invent new party literally over night. Which will suck in clear majority of people that want to keep this. What means that citizen have a fair amount of control in all this if they want to be politically active, what is perhaps the biggest problem in all of this. Since the media often manipulate the facts.



I am typing this because I really "believe" in this.

 

[Maou]

A real estate agent from Queens with multiple bankruptcies is no better. He isn't even funny.

But Orange man is hilarious.

 

[Jaguar]

But Orange man is hilarious.

To you.

 

[Maou]

You're actually going to complain that someone with no qualifications whatsoever is speaking, with a straight face?

No, people can say what they want, watch who they want to. But if I posted a video with some Youtuber etc. You'd all bash it, saying they are uninformed, radical, not real news etc. But suddenly a comedian on the telly is more qualified. Its double standards, and I am pointing it out.

 

[ceecee]

No, people can say what they want, watch who they want to. But if I posted a video with some Youtuber etc. You'd all bash it, saying they are uninformed, radical, not real news etc. But suddenly a comedian on the telly is more qualified. Its double standards, and I am pointing it out.

It's not a double standard. He's a comedian, he knows how to play to his audience. Most here are also his audience. I'm sure you could find a rabid MAGA forum that would love a right wing YouTube video just as much. It has nothing to do with qualifications or the lack of them but don't point that out when you will fight to the death to defend Trump.

I don't watch John Oliver much anymore but his pieces on other subjects are excellent, well researched and factual. That has nothing to do with the person presenting the story - he just happens to believe Americans are fairly ignorant and could use some information on civil forfeitures, compound pharmacies and oh wow here's on on Medicare and wait times.

Edited: Yes I know Nico posted this as well.

 

[FemMecha]

Why can't universal healthcare be like the public school system so the elitists can still have their superior Ivy League care without completely dehumanizing the rest of the population?

 

[á´…eparted]

Actually on second thought I would probably vote for Trump. I dont support socialism and the damage Trump would do would likely to be less. The democratic party really needs someone more moderate. I especially have a problem with socialized medicine because it impacts me directly. I dont want it.

So, you'd prefer a fascist dictatorship? Because that's what we'll get. If we don't get that clinched this year already.

I'll be honest, reading this disgusts me. Maybe you haven't grown afterall.

 

[Nicodemus]

Because John Oliver is a certified economics advisor. You should not be listening to a comedian to figure out how things are going to work. He isn't even funny.

He compiles information. I can see why you don't like that. I don't need him to explain socialized health care to me (I have lived with it all my life), but highlander obviously does.

 

[Maou]

He compiles information. I can see why you don't like that. I don't need him to explain socialized health care to me (I have lived with it all my life), but highlander obviously does.

What works for your country might not be compatible with ours, as how things are structured are different. Especially in terms of how the government interacts with things. Your countries has had years, and evoled with the system of socializating in mind. Ours has not. Changing over to socialized medicine requires dismantleing years of laws, possible job loss etc. There is no "fix", as Bernie makes it out to be. It is a lot harder to remove laws, that create them in USA. Just by the sheer amount of change required, it isn't feasibly possible in 8 years before someone will try to change it.

 

[Jaguar]

So, you'd prefer a fascist dictatorship? Because that's what we'll get. If we don't get that clinched this year already.

I'll be honest, reading this disgusts me. Maybe you haven't grown afterall.

I told you to think twice about insulting the person who allowed you to come back. Now I'm telling you in public because you have not changed your ways at all. Period.

 

[Nicodemus]

What works for your country might not be compatible with ours, as how things are structured are different. Especially in terms of how the government interacts with things. Your countries has had years, and evoled with the system of socializating in mind. Ours has not. Changing over to socialized medicine requires dismantleing years of laws, possible job loss etc. There is no "fix", as Bernie makes it out to be. It is a lot harder to remove laws, that create them in USA. Just by the sheer amount of change required, it isn't feasibly possible in 8 years before someone will try to change it.

Obviously, it is a big goal and Bernie, in my mind, is not the ideal man to pursue it. But it is worth reaching for, even if your ilk would rather bite the dust than allow something good to be done by a Democrat.

 

[Maou]

Obviously, it is a big goal and Bernie, in my mind, is not the ideal man to pursue it. But it is worth reaching for, even if your ilk would rather bite the dust than allow something good to be done by a Democrat.

I am not against things that work, I just think they would ruin it. We've all seen hoe Democrat strongholds like Chicago and LA turn out. I do not expect them to make healthcare anymore functional. I expect them to break it, and make money off the loopholes till someone else fixes it.

 

[Nicodemus]

I am not against things that work, I just think they would ruin it. We've all seen hoe Democrat strongholds like Chicago and LA turn out. I do not expect them to make healthcare anymore functional. I expect them to break it, and make money off the loopholes till someone else fixes it.

Then help make it work, instead of the opposite.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Honestly, not surprised that #resistance types actually prefer Trump to something like Medicare for all. Meh. Not convinced Biden would have kept them, either.

 

[Stigmata]

What works for your country might not be compatible with ours, as how things are structured are different. Especially in terms of how the government interacts with things. Your countries has had years, and evoled with the system of socializating in mind. Ours has not. Changing over to socialized medicine requires dismantleing years of laws, possible job loss etc. There is no "fix", as Bernie makes it out to be. It is a lot harder to remove laws, that create them in USA. Just by the sheer amount of change required, it isn't feasibly possible in 8 years before someone will try to change it.

The problem is that the entire reason why a M4A system is even being proposed is because our current system isn't working either. What do you do then? Stay with the current system in which over half the population is one medical emergency away from being broke, or where everyday people have to make a choice between deciding to eat or getting necessary medicines?

If we stayed put on everything because there was a possibility of failure, we'd never venture out and try to fix anything, and right now the healthcare system is fundamentally broken. We spend more and get less for our money than other "developed" nations, yet we have this warped perception that there is nobility in our suffrage because somehow it's better to suffer by the sweat of your own brow versus taking a handout from the government (keep in mind, the fundamental purpose of government is to work in the interest of its citizens as a whole, not for just a segment of the population).

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

So, you'd prefer a fascist dictatorship? Because that's what we'll get. If we don't get that clinched this year already.

I'll be honest, reading this disgusts me. Maybe you haven't grown afterall.

Why not join the DSA if you want to make a difference, if you haven't already? It'd do more good than picking fights with the administrators of online forums.

 

[Jaguar]

Honestly, not surprised that #resistance types actually prefer Trump to something like Medicare for all. Meh.

Who will be passing Medicare For All? You can't possibly think because a Senator may be a Democrat, they are automatically for it.