The Impeachment Thread

[anticlimatic]

This is why CSPAN is the best thing in the world for the current time.

I do find it interesting that Trump supporters often go to great lengths to show just how bored and uninterested they are yet are right there to jump on people discussing the things they find boring and uninteresting. Pick a lane.

My own personal hell-on-earth would consist of being trapped in a tower with a TV that picks up nothing but CSPAN.

 

[highlander]

I don't care if Trump is guilty or innocent. Lock him up for all the hate crimes he's caused to Muslim women and Hispanics and Jews and other Muslims. Under this presidency I don't feel safe seeing a Muslim woman refugee with a headscarf get into an uber car. EDIT: "On many sides, on many sides....." EDIT: You can play "but he was doing hyperbole" "he was upset" all day, trump is not dumb he is a mastermind conspirator and a horrible human being and he deserves to get locked up with the same hardcore latin americans and african americans he despises......I bet they'd treat him real nice....

I understand the spirit of your comments in that his views and the views of his followers have incited hate crimes but I believe there is much less clear evidence of wrongdoing there.

I'll take the clear evidence that he abused the power of his office and obstructed justice. It's grounds for impeachment.

 

[highlander]

This is the most clear and concise factual representation of the facts that I've seen during the hearings.

Adam Schiff, while persuasive and generally getting the gist of things, seems to stretch the facts at various points. I'm glad he hasn't been as visible lately. Though not incredibly dynamic, the democratic council, I thought, was one of the more balanced and fair voices throughout all of this.

 

[highlander]

This is the most persuasive (perhaps the only persuasive) evidence I have seen from the Republican party in the last month. It's nice to see some counterbalancing dialogue with some substance. Castor talked way too much at the beginning. It gets better at around 23 minutes.

Edit: In my mind, the line of questioning by this attorney is by far the most effective dialogue in the hearing from the republican point of view. Perhaps they should allow her to ask more questions and have the rest of the people "shut the fuck up". I do believe that part of the issue is the utter ineffectiveness of the republicans in providing a reasonable and factual rebuttal. She's the only person I've seen do it. I wonder if it is incompetence or lack of evidence. I will say that if I heard four more hours of those 20 minutes, it would begin to have an influence on my perception of the facts.

 

[rav3n]

I'm not sure I understand. Can you explain what you are suggesting exactly? I'm familiar with honeypot as a computer security term but not otherwise. Wasn't Slovenia part of the USSR previously? Wouldn't most upstanding citizens at that time be members of the communist party?

It's a spy term for female agents who use sex to lure unsuspecting prey, in order to gain information from them. Trump's relationship with the Russians started as early as the late 1980s. No, Slovenia used to be part of Yugoslavia which was never part of the Soviet Bloc. They were friendly with the Russians until 1948 but the relationship melted down. As far as all outstanding citizens being members of the Communist Party, where did this come from?

 

[Maou]

If you don't find this ultimate banter, childish, but fucking hilarious. You have no sense of humor.

 

[Jaguar]

This is the most persuasive (perhaps the only persuasive) evidence I have seen from the Republican party in the last month. It's nice to see some counterbalancing dialogue with some substance. Castor talked way too much at the beginning. It gets better at around 23 minutes.

Edit: In my mind, the line of questioning by this attorney is by far the most effective dialogue in the hearing from the republican point of view. Perhaps they should allow her to ask more questions and have the rest of the people "shut the fuck up". I do believe that part of the issue is the utter ineffectiveness of the republicans in providing a reasonable and factual rebuttal. She's the only person I've seen do it. I wonder if it is incompetence or lack of evidence. I will say that if I heard four more hours of those 20 minutes, it would begin to have an influence on my perception of the facts.

Uh, no. There is no ambiguity in the phone call. That's where I turned Castor off when he said there was ambiguity.

Trump hung himself when he used the word "though" in the phone call. And that word is so damning, even Kevin McCarthy realized it as the call summary was read to him right on the TV show, 60 Minutes. Kevin realized how guilty that single word made Trump sound, if you can believe it, he actually accused the interviewer on 60 Minutes of "adding the word" himself. Right on camera, the interviewer read Trump's quote and Kevin nearly shit himself. Why? Because the word really is that damning. Clearly, it shows a solicitation. You want this? Fine. But I would like you to do us a favor "THOUGH." I was stunned that Kevin McCarthy would actually walk into an interview with 60 minutes so unprepared, not knowing what Trump actually said in the phone call. But the point is, it's that one word that changes everything. And Kevin knew it. This is what's wrong with the party. They know he's guilty, and they just don't care.

Joe Scarborough and I think way too much alike. I just found this. Check it out:

And if anyone doesn't already know it, Joe Scarborough is a former Republican Congressman from Florida.

 

[ceecee]

If you don't find this ultimate banter, childish, but fucking hilarious. You have no sense of humor.

I think it's hilarious but for a totally different reason.

 

[Maou]

I think it's hilarious but for a totally different reason.

Depends on how far you read into it. I think "I am inevitable" will become a meme in the future.

Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.
Sun Tzu, The Art of War

 

[ceecee]

And if anyone doesn't already know it, Joe Scarborough is a former Republican Congressman from Florida.

Trump and Joe and Mika have been friends for years. That they hate him now (I don't actually believe that, I think it's an act for ratings) is irrelevant. They thought enough of him to provide him billions in airtime for the 2016 election and contributed greatly to the outcome, including voting for him.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - all these ghouls are on the same team (Trump, MSM, GOP, corporate Dems). Let me know when that all sinks in.

 

[ceecee]

Depends on how far you read into it. I think "I am inevitable" will become a meme in the future.

Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.
Sun Tzu, The Art of War

They're counting on most of the people watching the vid not knowing what actually happens immediately after this scene. That is funny as hell, but at the expense of the Trump supporters and how moronic his digital campaign thinks they are.

I anticipate there will be lots of voices proclaiming how much they don't care and how boring they find it.

 

[Maou]

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - all these ghouls are on the same team (Trump, MSM, GOP, corporate Dems). Let me know when that all sinks in.

I do not think Trump is on anyone's team personally, but the other groups you posted. Definitely. I think Trump knows how to game them so well, because he was part of it. MSM is ensnared because he abused their corrupt buisness model. GOP is ensnared because Trump forced them to support him or lose voters. Corperate Dems are just like GOP, but lost their fucking sanity because Trump was not suppose to win. I think he is an outlier, and the reasons for that is the sheer hatred and insanity it instilled within the Plutocracy. No one can say this level was the same for any other president except maybe Reagan.

 

[ceecee]

I do not think Trump is on anyone's team personally, but the other groups you posted. Definitely. I think Trump knows how to game them so well, because he was part of it. MSM is ensnared because he abused their corrupt buisness model. GOP is ensnared because Trump forced them to support him or lose voters. Corperate Dems are just like GOP, but lost their fucking sanity because Trump was not suppose to win. I think he is an outlier, and the reasons for that is the sheer hatred and insanity it instilled within the Plutocracy. No one can say this level was the same for anybother president except maybe Reagan.

lol Ok.

 

[anticlimatic]

I understand the spirit of your comments in that his views and the views of his followers have incited hate crimes but I believe there is much less clear evidence of wrongdoing there. I'll take the clear evidence that he abused the power of his office and obstructed justice. It's grounds for impeachment.

Is obstructing Congress the same thing as obstructing justice? I thought the judiciary branch had to get involved for the later.

 

[Maou]

lol Ok.

Let me ask you this, if Trump was in cahoots with the Plutocracy, what does he stand to gain running for president? You cannot really say money, because he made more money before he ran for president, and he doesn't even take his presidential pay. If you claim he did it to help his Plutocratic friends, why would he do it in the public eye, when he can equally influence from the shadows? Apart from the "tax cuts" somehow benefitting the rich more seems far fetched to call that "helping the rich" when the unemployment rates have been the lowest and years, and wages are going up. Even for me personally. Not to mention the Fed just collected record taxes, due to more spending in the economy. So where is his connection? What does he gain for exposing him, his family, and his followers to death threats, slander, assault, etc? All answers the media, the Democrats, and GOP figureheads accusations are flat and weak, because they know he is winning, and there is nothing they can do about it. Because some semblance of our Republic still exists enough to stop the Plutocrats. And that absolutely pisses them off.

 

[Jaguar]

Trump and Joe and Mika have been friends for years. That they hate him now (I don't actually believe that, I think it's an act for ratings) is irrelevant. They thought enough of him to provide him billions in airtime for the 2016 election and contributed greatly to the outcome, including voting for him.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - all these ghouls are on the same team (Trump, MSM, GOP, corporate Dems). Let me know when that all sinks in.

If you want to engage in gossip, please do it on someone else's time. Thanks.

 

[Jaguar]

Let me ask you this, if Trump was in cahoots with the Plutocracy, what does he stand to gain running for president? You cannot really say money, because he made more money before he ran for president, and he doesn't even take his presidential pay. If you claim he did it to help his Plutocratic friends, why would he do it in the public eye, when he can equally influence from the shadows? Apart from the "tax cuts" somehow benefitting the rich more seems far fetched to call that "helping the rich" when the unemployment rates have been the lowest and years, and wages are going up. Even for me personally. Not to mention the Fed just collected record taxes, due to more spending in the economy. So where is his connection? What does he gain for exposing him, his family, and his followers to death threats, slander, assault, etc? All answers the media, the Democrats, and GOP figureheads accusations are flat and weak, because they know he is winning, and there is nothing they can do about it. Because some semblance of our Republic still exists enough to stop the Plutocrats. And that absolutely pisses them off.

Ask his buddy Howard Stern - he wasn't planning on winning the presidency. Running was supposed to be a vehicle for boosting business. As for Donald, I'm going to quote what he admitted to Barbara Walters drives him: "The hunt." That is what an in-the-moment guy talks like. He's not a visionary, he's not a results guy, he's not an agent for change. He merely gets off on something as simple as the hunt. That's not exactly presidential material. Actually, it's probably the worst type of personality to be in any position of government leadership and/or policymaking.

 

[Maou]

Ask his buddy Howard Stern - he wasn't planning on winning the presidency. Running was supposed to be a vehicle for boosting business. As for Donald, I'm going to quote what he admitted to Barbara Walters drives him: "The hunt." That is what an in-the-moment guy talks like. He's not a visionary, he's not a results guy, he's not an agent for change. He merely gets off on something as simple as the hunt. That's not exactly presidential material. Actually, it's probably the worst type of personality to be in any position of government leadership and/or policymaking.

If that were true, why did he consider it since the 80s? Far as I recall, Trump didn't want to run. He had put a lot of faith into Obama, but when he failed. Trump said "If I do run, I sure as hell wouldn't go into it to lose.".

Do you really think you can take Stern's words for true when it became politically defensive, and popular to throw Trump under the bus? If you knew that Trump just painted a big ol Target on him, then becoming the enemies of the Plutocracy, would you still associate with Trump considering it could be Political suicide? Not to mention, have the wrath of the FBI's abuse and political biases at your door, and go to prison for crimes everyone in Washington is probably guilty of if you look hard enough. The people who bailed on Trump saw the shitstorm that was coming, they were smart to get out, but they were cowards.

 

[Jaguar]

If that were true, why did he consider it since the 80s? Far as I recall, Trump didn't want to run. He had put a lot of faith into Obama, but when he failed. Trump said "If I do run, I sure as hell wouldn't go into it to lose.".

Do you really think you can take Stern's words for true when it became politically defensive, and popular to throw Trump under the bus? If you knew that Trump just painted a big ol Target on him, then becoming the enemies of the Plutocracy, would you still associate with Trump considering it could be Political suicide? Not to mention, have the wrath of the FBI's abuse and political biases at your door, and go to prison for crimes everyone in Washington is probably guilty of if you look hard enough. The people who bailed on Trump saw the shitstorm that was coming, they were smart to get out, but they were cowards.

Howard is one of his closest personal friends and has been for decades. He knows him well. Too well, probably. I don't know what this "throw Trump under the bus" nonsense is about, it doesn't even apply in this situation. There's nothing wrong with their friendship, so I hope you're not suggesting anything negative on Howard's end.

 

[Maou]

Howard is one of his closest personal friends and has been for decades. He knows him well. Too well, probably. I don't know what this "throw Trump under the bus" nonsense is about, it doesn't even apply in this situation. There's nothing wrong with their friendship, so I hope you're not suggesting anything negative on Howard's end.

All I am saying, is that perhaps he said all that to publicly distance himself from the backlash that affects Trump. Trump might be perfectly aware he either doesn't mean it, or respects his opinion. Either way, thats all it is.

What I mean about people throwing Trump under the bus, is those trying to score brownie points with the Democrats by leaking information and shit talking Trump.