Oh God, lets talk about God.

[Zangetshumody]

Physics is based on the facts of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity

Yes... and I have already substantiated how those facts of Quantum Mechanics are antithetical to the Scientific Method, which still inanely depends on 'Scientific Axioms' which are patently false. Psychology does not similarly need to depend on the manufactured presumption of its own fact-icity, and so it is capable of sustaining some kind of philosophically coherent venture,— into something like a phenomenologically-based empiricism (which, when is otherwise claimed by Scientism, is but a hollow, and table-thumped self-identification to an 'Empirical knowledge', which it has long continued to insist upon, even after the disposal of the capacity for it to make Empirical discoveries).

The only thing which the Scientism-confidence-tricksters and con-artists have going for them, is the general and pervasive philosophical lethargy of the masses, to conceptually distinguish between the reasoning of Empirical consistency and the 'Scientific Method'.

 

[Mole]

What is a fact?

A fact is a combination of theory and experimental evidence.

For instance, Relativity predicts that light will bend as it passes the Sun, and when we measured it in 1919, we found light bent around the Sun.

 

[Empyrean]

A fact is a combination of theory and experimental evidence.

For instance, Relativity predicts that light will bend as it passes the Sun, and when we measured it in 1919, we found light bent around the Sun.

I'm not certain what a fact is, but I am certain that facts are not this.

 

[Mole]

I'm not certain what a fact is, but I am certain that facts are not this.

You are certain what a fact is not, but perhaps you could give us an example of a fact.

 

[Empyrean]

A fact—what is the case.

 

[entropie]

I have no way of realizing what God is but something certainly tipped the first domino.

Not in a circle, elluding the very logic of causality

 

[Kanra Jest]

Stupid questions right?
I hate to give cues of life, but I used to be a very curious child, incredibly questionning and investigating want to know how everything around me works, I used to break my toys to find out how they work and what caused them to work, but I used to hate this side of me because I was annoying everybody around me with questions and notices, my grandpa used to tell me "You're annoyingly smart little girl" I didn't think I was smart because at that time I thought if I am intellegent I wouldn't get to question everything around me on the first place, because intelligent people already know the answer, but when I became an adult, I discovered that they don't know the answers, they're just taking what is presented to them, while I still have this little curious child inside of me who doesn't get enough of knowledge no matter how much knowledge she gained, I don't give a damn about winning debates, I only care about finding more and understand more about the world around me, That's just my nature I guess..
So I either get an answers for my questions, or I you can call me stupid, crazy etc. It's totally fine with me.. (No offense at all, don't worry )

I can relate to you very well. Except I didn't get praised for it I just got called stupid and laughed at because back then I didn't know why I wasn't allowed to speak my extremely open mind. Eventually I started to feel insane. So pretty soon I learned to play my words and views carefully around people.

But as for this question, you could just google search it. That's what I do with everything I don't know. No?

 

[entropie]

I can relate to you very well. Except I didn't get praised for it I just got called stupid and laughed at because back then I didn't know why I wasn't allowed to speak my extremely open mind. Eventually I started to feel insane. So pretty soon I learned to play my words and views carefully around people.

But as for this question, you could just google search it. That's what I do with everything I don't know. No?

So google is your God and you trust what google says ?

 

[Kanra Jest]

1. So google is your God and you trust what google says ?

   
   Google has mountains of information of many things if you look far enough. But if we can't trust using it, then we can only use books and people themselves which can also end up be flawed or have inaccuracies. Could also waste time if such information is correct on the internet. Not everything on the Internet is a lie. I'm not talking conspiracy bullshit here, after all. So when it comes down to it go with what you trust. Our understanding. People to be confident in knowing many things somehow and act like it's idiotic someone else doesn't. Sometimes it's easy to pick it out or search, rather than having to ask and get people thinking you're stupid for asking.

 

[entropie]

Google has mountains of information of many things if you look far enough. But if we can't trust using it, then we can only use books and people themselves which can also end up be flawed or have inaccuracies. Could also waste time if such information is correct on the internet. Not everything on the Internet is a lie. I'm not talking conspiracy bullshit here, after all. So when it comes down to it go with what you trust. But in lies, there is truth, and in truth there is lies. Sometimes it's easy to pick it out or search, rather than having to ask and get people thinking you're stupid for asking.

ok, but try going to church and say: I think part of Lucas evangel in the bible is a lie. They will hunt you !

 

[Lia_kat]

Stephen Fry ftw.

 

[Kanra Jest]

ok, but try going to church and say: I think part of Lucas evangel in the bible is a lie. They will hunt you !

Then they will prove themselves no better than those who stoned different beliefs in the old days, now wouldn't they?
Also. Part? More like all of it is a lie. There are a million bible's anyhow. It's a holy mess.

 

[geedoenfj]

I can relate to you very well. Except I didn't get praised for it I just got called stupid and laughed at because back then I didn't know why I wasn't allowed to speak my extremely open mind. Eventually I started to feel insane. So pretty soon I learned to play my words and views carefully around people.

But as for this question, you could just google search it. That's what I do with everything I don't know. No?

Never stop being curious, because that's where the knowledge begins I know the answer already, but I was trying to get him straight to the source instead of looking at it from a very narrow prespective, sometimes the answers are much more simple and easy than we think

 

[geedoenfj]

Alright, lol. Nothing wrong with curiosity, though I guess your question in this case is nothing a little research couldn't answer. When you know that Sharai law supports stoning adulterers, cutting the hands off theives, etc, you can put the two and two together and see that this is not compatible with western concepts of freedom.

See? That's the difference, many people look at it from above, looking at it from a higher place and are satisfisfied with those easy answers, which are superficial and not giving the full picture..
When another member was saying that he finds Islam rationl and interesting, if you're curious person like me, you'd ask for more details and questions and how he view it, if not, you'd just take the easy approach and refuse the other opinion without giving them a chance to explaine their POV

 

[S16M4]

What if...

You studied "It" and came to the conclusion that you don't care one way or the other?

 

[Poki]

Stephen Fry ftw.

I don't really care for Stephen Fry reasoning. I did love the

"No you don't understand I was born into the one society that got it exactly right. My mommy and daddy were the special ones and my place and time in history was so right" Lol

I would just be like, so you do exist. Imagine the reasoning you could finally be given for why things are the way they are.

 

[Kanra Jest]

What if... You studied "It" and came to the conclusion that you don't care one way or the other?

People's minds. The psychological aspect of perception. Such things are simply fascinating! How could you not?

 

[S16M4]

People's minds. The psychological aspect of perception. Such things are simply fascinating! How could you not?

Maybe I'll revisit spirituality if it sparks my interest. For now, apatheist.

 

[Mole]

A fact—what is the case.

It is the case that for 200,000 years we believed that the Sun went round the Earth. For that long, it was the case, we practised the inequality of women. And not so long ago, it was the case, we practised the sacrificial form of child rearing by burying live children in the foundations of sacred buildings.

So many horrific things were the case until the Western Enlightenment of the 17th and !8th centuries.

So we now know that what is the case are not only not facts but also part of a morally impoverished culture.

 

[Mole]

Maybe I'll revisit spirituality if it sparks my interest. For now, apatheist.

Unfortunately spirituality is the weasel word for religion. So instead of joining the weasels, why not explore the implications of Natural Selection?