New Type Me

[RobinSkye]

Does anyone wanna help me in analyzing my type? Hopefully, functionally, since using dichotomies is too vague. If I could get some impartial perspectives about my functional use, that would probably be the most effective. I'm familiar with Socionics and many of the models that follow it, if we want to reference those.
I've been understanding myself as INTP/INTj, but I'm kind of convinced that Ne dominant is a high possibility too. Socionics models seem to be a tighter fit, though, as the INTx types are said to have both Ti and Ni as their dominant mindset, and I have thought for a long time that this represents my cognition well.

 

[RobinSkye]

Can I... answer a questionnaire or something? Any recommendations?

 

[highlander]

Can I... answer a questionnaire or something? Any recommendations?

Sure. Try this

http://www.typologycentral.com/foru.../84961-temperament-test-answer-questions.html

and this

Interact Quiz

and finally this

Free Social Media Personality Test - Typology Wiki

What do you get?

 

[Mal12345]

Behind the Scenes (INFP, ISFJ, INTP, ISFP)

 

[RobinSkye]

Hey, thanks [MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION].

I)

*What characteristic best describes you?
a. I am adaptable
b. I am consistent
c. I am humane
d. I am analytical

*Which statement best describes you?
a. I’m tolerant and on the lookout for useful compromises
b. I am hard working and dependable
c. I am enthusiastic and creative
d. I am competent and inventive

*It is most important for me to be:
a. Adaptable
b. Respectable
c. Authentic
d. Resolute

*It is most important for me to
a. Be lively and unrestrained
b. Do things that will produce good
c. Help others and be charitable
d. Be autonomous

*I yearn for
a. Impact
b. Belonging
c. Romance
d. Achievement

*I most value being
a. Excited
b. Concerned
c. Enthusiastic
d. Calm

The best word to describe me would be that I am: (none of these.. are A, B, D not very similar?)
a. Practical
b. Dutiful
c. Altruistic
d. Pragmatic

II) http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/personalitytest.php?do=results&id=e1FYU5DsdN
http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/personalitytest.php?do=results&id=ygGqfArYsR

I can't say I find these at all accurate.

III) Chart the course (INFJ, ISTJ, INTJ, ISTP)

 

[CitizenErased]

II) http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/personalitytest.php?do=results&id=e1FYU5DsdN
http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/personalitytest.php?do=results&id=ygGqfArYsR

I can't say I find these at all accurate.

Ah, I thought the same when I took it. It says I'm organized and unconcerned with art (I'm studying it because it's my big passion!) among other inaccurate things. I think it's because it analyzes words that are meant to respond to others' problems/questions, not really the ones of the analyzed person.

In most tests that give percentages of functions without attaching them to MB types, I always get Ti and Ne with the same percentage, but I know I'm definitely introverted, so by definition, my first function should be introverted. I assumed it meant that, Ne is "really developed".

So, what's what made you doubt in real life about being INTP/INTj, besides tests?

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

How do you think you mold your values and principles? (sorry if that seems vague--just answer to the best of your abilities)

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I will say that, based on how often you have reconsidered/doubted your type (nothing wrong with doing that and I think it is a healthy process, BTW), I think you might be a strong contender for either INxP type.

Ji seeks internal clarity and understanding of both the self and any external systems while the auxiliary Ne, whenever taking in new information, will often lead INxPs to actively explore and re-analyze the self to come to a better understanding based upon the new data. It seems like an endless cycle in some INxPs, even those officially confirmed, because the dominant judging function might seek a final, solid understanding, but the auxiliary perceiving function (assuming there is a healthy use of it) will always be bringing the finality of that understanding into question.

Incidentally I think this is why (at least in part) why people say an INxJ is less likely than an INxP to re-question their type once they feel certain they've arrived at a solid understanding of the self.

 

[RobinSkye]

I will say that, based on how often you have reconsidered/doubted your type (nothing wrong with doing that and I think it is a healthy process, BTW), I think you might be a strong contender for either INxP type.

Ji seeks internal clarity and understanding of both the self and any external systems while the auxiliary Ne, whenever taking in new information, will often lead INxPs to actively explore and re-analyze the self to come to a better understanding based upon the new data. It seems like an endless cycle in some INxPs, even those officially confirmed, because the dominant judging function might seek a final, solid understanding, but the auxiliary perceiving function (assuming there is a healthy use of it) will always be bringing the finality of that understanding into question.

Incidentally I think this is why (at least in part) why people say an INxJ is less likely than an INxP to re-question their type once they feel certain they've arrived at a solid understanding of the self.

Yes, my friend, this resonates perfectly with me. I think it makes me more confident in my typing. The main consideration while posting this was actually that I may be some ENTx, because I find myself feeling more extroverted, and having a broader and newer outlook when I feel particularly good.

 

[RobinSkye]

Hey, thanks [MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION].

I)

*What characteristic best describes you?
a. I am adaptable
b. I am consistent
c. I am humane
d. I am analytical

*Which statement best describes you?
a. I’m tolerant and on the lookout for useful compromises
b. I am hard working and dependable
c. I am enthusiastic and creative
d. I am competent and inventive

*It is most important for me to be:
a. Adaptable
b. Respectable
c. Authentic
d. Resolute

*It is most important for me to
a. Be lively and unrestrained
b. Do things that will produce good
c. Help others and be charitable
d. Be autonomous

*I yearn for
a. Impact
b. Belonging
c. Romance
d. Achievement

*I most value being
a. Excited
b. Concerned
c. Enthusiastic
d. Calm

The best word to describe me would be that I am: (none of these.. are A, B, D not very similar?)
a. Practical
b. Dutiful
c. Altruistic
d. Pragmatic

II) http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/personalitytest.php?do=results&id=e1FYU5DsdN
http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/personalitytest.php?do=results&id=ygGqfArYsR

I can't say I find these at all accurate.

III) Chart the course (INFJ, ISTJ, INTJ, ISTP)

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] do you have a result for this?

 

[highlander]

[MENTION=8936]highlander[/MENTION] do you have a result for this?

You have to say which is most and which is least

 

[fetus]

Have you considered ISFP with developing Ni?

 

[RobinSkye]

You have to say which is most and which is least

I did - the most are bolded and least are italicized.

Have you considered ISFP with developing Ni?

I don't see how it's applicable. Se and Fi are two of my weakest functions, and Ni isn't even consciously valued.

 

[fetus]

I don't see how it's applicable. Se and Fi are two of my weakest functions, and Ni isn't even consciously valued.

How are they your weakest? Explain.

 

[RobinSkye]

How are they your weakest? Explain.

Extraverted Sensing (Se)

Extraverted Sensors see, feel, touch, smell, and listen to everything that is going on in the external world. They are constantly taking in new experiences and sizing up the situations of the world around them.

I barely take any notice of the sensory detail of the external world, and only really pay attention to things in my external world that have some attribution to my goals, my inner world, things that I can utilize for some long-term gain. I don't ever do things that only concern immediate impact, and take little pleasure from things while in the moment. Almost everything I do is of interest to me because it stimulates me mentally, even the things I do which are physically or sensually focused. I think more about what the thing, act, etc. represents, what it means to me long-term, and most importantly what I can learn and draw upon from it. To this end, I'm a bit offended that you think I have even an ounce of extroverted sensing preference.

an enjoyment for “the finer things in life."

I could live in a complete dump as long as I have my health, sanctuary (peace and isolation from any imposing forces), and the ability to explore the things which are worthwhile - on the internet, through music and art, discovering new things and growing with them.

may just jump into something new at first and want to figure it all out.

Not once in my life. Everything I've ever done - every word I've ever spoken - everything is calculated. Everything demands perfection before thrusting it into the external world. Everything is better not had than had under poor circumstances.

Introverted Feeling (Fi)

They want to live a life as true to themselves as possible.

What does it even mean to be true to oneself? We're all a product of our perceptions and experiences, and not so far from mindless animals. How can one identify what a "true" self is or what's worth living for/doing in one's life without having already experienced and participated in everything? This just seems like an anomaly.

They filter it out through a lens of “good/bad” or “this is me/this isn’t me.” An introverted feeler is very self aware of who they are and their place in the world.

Never do I evaluate things through these terms. In fact, I've found a huge distinction in this regard between my INFP father and myself. He evaluates people and things like foods, films, etc. as simply as "good," whereas I always demand more information and precision. I also couldn't care less if something I involve myself with is useful to my image, persona, inner concurrency, or whatever the hell that is.

Fi can shut down new experiences that go against who they are as a person.

I don't assess things as being against who I am, or somehow feel bad about experiencing something. In fact, I would love to have more novel experiences, even crazy, morally reprehensible ones, so long as they don't put me at great risk. If I want to do a thing, it's because I've determined so for myself, and is free of direct external influence. The cases in which I decline friend's requests to do things like go party, go to some place or another, it's because I simply don't care for that activity, and having to do the thing or interact with the person/group is more draining than it's worth as well as the fact that I'd probably rather be on my own doing things that I actually enjoy.

Anything else?

 

[RobinSkye]

How are they your weakest? Explain.

Extraverted Sensing (Se)

Extraverted Sensors see, feel, touch, smell, and listen to everything that is going on in the external world. They are constantly taking in new experiences and sizing up the situations of the world around them.

I barely take any notice of the sensory detail of the external world, and only really pay attention to things in my external world that have some attribution to my goals, my inner world, things that I can utilize for some long-term gain. I don't ever do things that only concern immediate impact, and take little pleasure from things while in the moment. Almost everything I do is of interest to me because it stimulates me mentally, even the things I do which are physically or sensually focused. I think more about what the thing, act, etc. represents, what it means to me long-term, and most importantly what I can learn and draw upon from it. To this end, I'm a bit offended that you think I have even an ounce of extroverted sensing preference.

an enjoyment for “the finer things in life."

I could live in a complete dump as long as I have my health, sanctuary (peace and isolation from any imposing forces), and the ability to explore the things which are worthwhile - on the internet, through music and art, discovering new things and growing with them.

may just jump into something new at first and want to figure it all out.

Not once in my life. Everything I've ever done - every word I've ever spoken - everything is calculated. Everything demands perfection before thrusting it into the external world. Everything is better not had than had under poor circumstances.

Introverted Feeling (Fi)

They want to live a life as true to themselves as possible.

What does it even mean to be true to oneself? We're all a product of our perceptions and experiences, and not so far from mindless animals. How can one identify what a "true" self is or what's worth living for/doing in one's life without having already experienced and participated in everything? This just seems like an anomaly.

They filter it out through a lens of “good/bad” or “this is me/this isn’t me.” An introverted feeler is very self aware of who they are and their place in the world.

Never do I evaluate things through these terms. In fact, I've found a huge distinction in this regard between my INFP father and myself. He evaluates people and things like foods, films, etc. as simply as "good," whereas I always demand more information and precision. I also couldn't care less if something I involve myself with is useful to my image, persona, inner concurrency, or whatever the hell that is.

Fi can shut down new experiences that go against who they are as a person.

I don't assess things as being against who I am, or somehow feel bad about experiencing something. In fact, I would love to have more novel experiences, even crazy, morally reprehensible ones, so long as they don't put me at great risk. If I want to do a thing, it's because I've determined so for myself, and is free of direct external influence. The cases in which I decline friend's requests to do things like go party, go to some place or another, it's because I simply don't care for that activity, and having to do the thing or interact with the person/group is more draining than it's worth as well as the fact that I'd probably rather be on my own doing things that I actually enjoy.

Anything else?

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

You vibe as one of those "feeler-y" INTPs. The guy who runs the gulenko groups on facebook vibes a bit that way. He identifies as an INTP 4w5.

I also sometimes think you might be a Ne dom.

 

[RobinSkye]

You vibe as one of those "feeler-y" INTPs. The guy who runs the gulenko groups on facebook vibes a bit that way. He identifies as an INTP 4w5.

I also sometimes think you might be a Ne dom.

Of the NTPs, which do you think might have more of the "feeler-y" qualities which you speak of? I think my Fe is completely terrible, but I definitely value harmony (more for my own sanctity than anything), and have found ways in which I strive for group harmony more than Fi types. I noticed that Fi types I'm around typically have a focus on one person at a time (INFPs, in my case), whereas Fe types tend to look at group dynamics as a whole.

I've also considered Ne dominant. I've seriously considered all NPs, NTJ, and INFJ (though this is severely unlikely). I am pretty damn convinced that INTP is the best fit though.

From my observations, I've identified INTPs as basically the feeler of the thinking types. I see this also in my friend who I've typed ISTP in some ways. Because of the way they read everything through Ti, and have inferior Fe (and for INTPs, they notice all the perspectives through Ne). Because they tend to be so inept at helping with peoples' feelings as well as making sense of their own, they are basically the sensitive feelers, and try pretty hard not to offend or cross lines with people unless they have justified reason to. I have found myself in particular to be so unimposing upon others because of my wish not to be imposed upon, to the point that I have probably only hurt my own relationships with people because I don't take action enough and don't want to overstep in any way when it actually would have been best to "just do it," so to speak. Thus, inferior Fe.

I think Ne as a dominant frame of mind has potential as well, but looking at Socionics and seeing how the functions interact with one another, Ti-Ni definitely seems like my natural state. Ne doms are often portrayed as more exuberant and jovial. I will only be this way under certain circumstances, to be silly, for irony, to try to test myself or others and see what happens. I just wish I could get a better understanding of how each function in each type's stacking plays its part. I need more examples and accurate ways of understanding them.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Of the NTPs, which do you think might have more of the "feeler-y" qualities which you speak of? I think my Fe is completely terrible, but I definitely value harmony (more for my own sanctity than anything), and have found ways in which I strive for group harmony more than Fi types. I noticed that Fi types I'm around typically have a focus on one person at a time (INFPs, in my case), whereas Fe types tend to look at group dynamics as a whole.

I'm not sure. Might depend on the individuals. ENTPs have the better Fe, but I don't really associate "feeler-y" with that type. Sometimes I wonder if INTPs, with the blindspot of inferior Fe, might overcompensate and learn to feign being better feelers to navigate through social situations, while maybe ENTPs with their higher Fe might have just enough to get by without having to "overdo" it or try too hard.

I've also considered Ne dominant. I've seriously considered all NPs, NTJ, and INFJ (though this is severely unlikely). I am pretty damn convinced that INTP is the best fit though.

Again, just vibes, but I would say you seem more INTP than NTJ or NFJ, but then I don't know you that well.

From my observations, I've identified INTPs as basically the feeler of the thinking types. I see this also in my friend who I've typed ISTP in some ways. Because of the way they read everything through Ti, and have inferior Fe (and for INTPs, they notice all the perspectives through Ne). Because they tend to be so inept at helping with peoples' feelings as well as making sense of their own, they are basically the sensitive feelers, and try pretty hard not to offend or cross lines with people unless they have justified reason to. I have found myself in particular to be so unimposing upon others because of my wish not to be imposed upon, to the point that I have probably only hurt my own relationships with people because I don't take action enough and don't want to overstep in any way when it actually would have been best to "just do it," so to speak. Thus, inferior Fe.

I think I understand what you're trying to say.

Ti doms can be quite principled and they can be very concerned with fairness, not being a type that will consciously want to play favorites with people. Match that up with Ne's ability to see different angles/possibilities/perspectives and the potential to avoid infringing on others' space or boundaries and I can understand why you might come to that conclusion, sort of how INFJs sometimes get labelled as the thinkers of the NF types (albeit for completely different reasons than INTPs might be associated with seeming "feeler-y"). (thinker can be such a biased word in the context of MBTI anyway, as it might imply thinkers think more than feelers--often going hand-in-hand with assumptions that thinkers can't feel). I always cite Data from Star Trek as a great (if exaggerated) example of how INTPs operate. Data is pretty much blind in the area of feels but he has a great capacity to treat all with fairness and little to no bias, so this sort of endears him to his friends as he isn't really "feeling" in a F sense, but he is still doing the best he can with T and N to navigate and operate in a world where feeling is valued. Obviously that can backfire in "sensitive" situations where the INTP perhaps might not have known something they would do or say, while not intentionally malicious, might offend or damage others' feelings or sensibilities. In other words, some situations require a more nuanced feeler's approach/diplomacy which may not be apparent to the INTP unless they've already blundered and learned from a similar past social faux pas. Can you identify with that?

I think Ne as a dominant frame of mind has potential as well, but looking at Socionics and seeing how the functions interact with one another, Ti-Ni definitely seems like my natural state. Ne doms are often portrayed as more exuberant and jovial. I will only be this way under certain circumstances, to be silly, for irony, to try to test myself or others and see what happens. I just wish I could get a better understanding of how each function in each type's stacking plays its part. I need more examples and accurate ways of understanding them.

Yes, I could see you being an LII of the Ne subtype in socionics. I think I may have suggested that type to you some time back when you were asking for type help. Again, I don't know you super well, so I'm forced to "vibe" type and I'm not sure how reliable vibe typing has ever been.

 

[fetus]

[MENTION=25723]RobinSkye[/MENTION] I am just trying to make sure you're open to different types. I know you started a thread but it seems more like, "I am this type, tell me why I am it." You seem very resistant to anything outside of it, that's all.

I also wanted to see what you believe about the functions, and if anything is false. Maybe [MENTION=1206]cascadeco[/MENTION] or [MENTION=17945]Alaska[/MENTION] could better explain Fi-Se.

Not saying you are or aren't. Just trying to play a little devil's advocate.

And why 5? Have you thought about 9w8, maybe? Challenge yourself.