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Video: INFJ Door Slam

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The "doorslam" I am fairly sure arises from the fact that INFJ's are a minority and more likely to have reduced/low amounts of friends, high introspection, and typically melodramatic younger years. Everyone doorslams. The term is only coined, because the first sentence isn't realized to be the normal, regular, everyday sort of event that other types call "nah, I don't talk to that person anymore." In short, it's just an internally dramatized version of absolutely nothing special or different than what everyone else does all the time.
 

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First, thanks for posting.
I have used a door slam only once, on a stalker. I felt it was justified, needed. But I've used a door close several times in my life, mostly because I realized that person didn't care enough about me to even notice that I had walked away. I was a convenience, a tool or a possession in their eyes. I left the door unlocked, in case they wanted to open it and say, "hey, I miss you." There comes a time in a person's life when you realize that you are not responsible for everyone else's happiness, you are not their sidekick, not their puppet, not their trophy. You are an individual person and your life is just as important as theirs. In other words, I bent over backwards for them and acted like I was a pet or something. Once I cut a friend out because she drained me so much.

Pretty much this, except for the stalker. I do door closes.

I am always open to talking. To a fault. I probably should get better at door slamming. I've gotten better at ignoring people; that's a start.
 

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I don't know why INFJs have a tendency to do this more than other types. It seems like irrational/harmful/unproductive behavior. Why not address the issues earlier than wait till they get to some kind of boiling point and then cut the person off.
Each person only has a finite amount of time and energy. Why maintain social relationships that are proven to be only manipulative and destructive? If I keep interacting with someone whom I sense does not have my best interest at heart, who is hurtful to me, and especially who uses manipulation to maintain their goal in using me, that means I have blocked a kinder, better person from being in my life because my energy is consumed by the harmful person.

At this point in my life I have zero issue cutting off all contact with people who are selfish, mean, and especially if they are manipulative. I don't have time or energy. Even if there is a 2% chance they could change, it is not reasonable to waste my life and energy betting on a minuscule hope they won't continue to harm and drain me. I've been there and done that to the point of putting my health at risk for most of my life. I'm done. The world has a surplus of people, why not take advantage of that fact and filter out as much negativity as possible? If there is a strong logical position against this line of reasoning, I would like to hear it because I don't know what it would be.

Edit: Also there is a Fe-based culturally accepted position which likely comes from church communities, that we are all required to be nice to everyone no matter what. I've learned over the years that the manipulative, mean people play this assumption for their own gain. They know you have to be polite, so they say demeaning, rude things publically since we cannot retort culturally. It is shocking and undermines the manipulator's intention to simply close them out completely. It is an important thing to feel you have the personal right to not allow access to your person from those who intend harm. Every type, every individual should feel they have the right to do this. It is the best solution to much intended harm in this world.
 

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Cherry picking a point that I think has been lost or simply not comprehended by INFJs here: You are generalizing too much where the doorslam is concerned. The doorslam is about suddenly and permanently cutting off a person with whom you have had a positive, long-lasting, intimate connection (this includes friends as well as romantic partners).

This subject seems to be an area that takes tert-Ti a LONG time to define, judging by personal experience and observation of what kinds of stories are posted by INFJs to explain or defend doorslamming.
 

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Oh,well if that's the definition, I think it's an odd thing to do. Can't really think of circumstances warranting it, barring a major betrayal like cheating.
 

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Cherry picking a point that I think has been lost or simply not comprehended by INFJs here: You are generalizing too much where the doorslam is concerned. The doorslam is about suddenly and permanently cutting off a person with whom you have had a positive, long-lasting, intimate connection (this includes friends as well as romantic partners).

This subject seems to be an area that takes tert-Ti a LONG time to define, judging by personal experience and observation of what kinds of stories are posted by INFJs to explain or defend doorslamming.
Why would a person do this? There must be some kind of reasoning, even if flawed. I wasn't aware this ever happened. (perhaps I should watch the video)
 

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The doorslam is about suddenly and permanently cutting off a person with whom you have had a positive, long-lasting, intimate connection (this includes friends as well as romantic partners).

It is? That's news to me.
 

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That seems like a really odd definition of a doorslam. Maybe the relationship was positive from the perspective of the person being doorslammed, but clearly it wasn't entirely positive from the perspective of the doorslammer if they felt the need to end it. Maybe the other person's obliviousness is part of the problem.
 

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I relistened to the video and that's not what he's suggested a doorslam is. He's calling it an emotional reaction when someone hits a very sensitive nerve or when there has been repeated hurt over and over again and no trust is left. he talks about door closing as a more rational decision to discontinue a friendship because it's not working.
 

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There is a guy I work with that could easily tell the story of me randomly doorslamming him. It's because he would waltz up to me, say negative things to me about my romantic partner, go on to brag about how great he is, and then I find out that he is completely boycotting the school activities my partner is in charge of organizing. I will not speak to that jerk or look him in the eye because he's an asshole, but I suspect he is completely mystified by my reaction. Many assholes think they are angelic and wonderful, so I could see alot of people being mystified when someone quits taking their sh*t.
 

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If the immediate gut reactions have run their course, could System 2/rider/neocortex be engaged and persuaded to reassess what I posted?
 

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Cherry picking a point that I think has been lost or simply not comprehended by INFJs here: You are generalizing too much where the doorslam is concerned. The doorslam is about suddenly and permanently cutting off a person with whom you have had a positive, long-lasting, intimate connection (this includes friends as well as romantic partners).

This subject seems to be an area that takes tert-Ti a LONG time to define, judging by personal experience and observation of what kinds of stories are posted by INFJs to explain or defend doorslamming.

Oh,well if that's the definition, I think it's an odd thing to do. Can't really think of circumstances warranting it, barring a major betrayal like cheating.

Why would a person do this? There must be some kind of reasoning, even if flawed. I wasn't aware this ever happened. (perhaps I should watch the video)

It is? That's news to me.

That seems like a really odd definition of a doorslam. Maybe the relationship was positive from the perspective of the person being doorslammed, but clearly it wasn't entirely positive from the perspective of the doorslammer if they felt the need to end it. Maybe the other person's obliviousness is part of the problem.

I relistened to the video and that's not what he's suggested a doorslam is. He's calling it an emotional reaction when someone hits a very sensitive nerve or when there has been repeated hurt over and over again and no trust is left. he talks about door closing as a more rational decision to discontinue a friendship because it's not working.

Eilonwy is right, and that's also covered by this last quote. It's not just any cutting off of a relationship (which any type can do), the whole point is the other person basically "tore it" with the INFJ after a long time (or it would have to be something seriously offensive, so that answers the question of "why"), and it's supposed to be accompanied by a final fiery reaction which seemed so out of character because the INFJ was so patient and tolerant before.
 

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Eilonwy is right, and that's also covered by this last quote. It's not just any cutting off of a relationship (which any type can do), the whole point is the other person basically "tore it" with the INFJ after a long time (or it would have to be something seriously offensive, so that answers the question of "why"), and it's supposed to be accompanied by a final fiery reaction which seemed so out of character because the INFJ was so patient and tolerant before.

So you agree with this definition of a doorslam?

The doorslam is about suddenly and permanently cutting off a person with whom you have had a positive, long-lasting, intimate connection (this includes friends as well as romantic partners).

I have not read this definition of a doorslam anywhere else outside Eilonwy's post.
 

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I'm not sure what more is wanted here. I don't know many infjs outside of the forum. In my own experience, I don't doorslam. I've offered conjecture for why one perhaps might, but I really don't identify with it.

In the cases where I've door closed, the other person is usually aware why and it's not usually a done deal if the behaviour changes. I think it's okay to sometimes just recognize incompatibility.
 

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So you agree with this definition of a doorslam?

I have not read this definition of a doorslam anywhere else outside Eilonwy's post.
That's what I had always read, though I forgot where. (Generally, other discussion thread like this).
It was what I saw first, and it made sense. It's something rather unique to the type. Then, it seems, as other types in the discussions tried to relate, they started calling any shutting out of any person a "door slam", and so the term became watered down. (Like an INFP saying "oh, yeah, I've door-slammed someone...", and then, you would even hear of "un-slamming" or some reversal like that, but the whole point was that it was final).
 

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I don't know why INFJs have a tendency to do this more than other types. It seems like irrational/harmful/unproductive behavior. Why not address the issues earlier than wait till they get to some kind of boiling point and then cut the person off.
A couple of possible reasons for this:
Firstly, if a person has a value to keep the peace with others and is idealistic, they may feel they can tolerate a lot of crap from others. They put pressure on themselves to take it. A value of keeping the peace or a value of not controlling others can result in the assumption you have to take a person exactly as they are. Shakespeare even wrote a sonnet about it "Love changes not with its few short years..." Then the idealism breaks down and the person hits a wall and cannot cope with the toxicity any longer and has an emotional breakdown. I value not controlling other people and throughout my life have come to a conclusion that change is a rare occurrence in any human. Slight modifications can sometimes be made, but I don't think people change much. If you cannot accept and relate to someone exactly as they are, don't hope for change. Working on a relationship requires two people. If only one works on it, then there is little hope for improvement.

Secondly the person may be trying to address the problem in the harmful relationship and the other person cannot hear it, so eventually there reaches a point when they stop trying to communicate and just leave. There are a lot of people in this world who cannot hear certain things. I would not be able to map it to type because I've seen it in so many contexts. I have a number of teenage students (sometimes even elementary) who cannot hear me. Sometimes it is rebellion, but sometimes I can tell they actually cannot hear me in a lesson. For the teenagers I think they have been told what to do so many times that their quota is met and they actually cannot hear anything else. I tend to give those students free-range to get lost in their own little world. I have also experienced this in personal relationships where I tried over and over to communicate and the person couldn't/wouldn't hear me. They would look up from their gameboy and pat me on the shoulder a couple of times and continue playing. It wasn't malicious, but a blockout of the outside world. The person who did that was an IN-- type who had grown up in a chaotic environment where they had to learn to tune out all social noise. When an idea does not compute with a person's internal framework of reality, most cannot hear it. This is possibly true of all types, but only differs in the degree to which it happens and the type of information they cannot take in. In my experience in the world it is a fairly extreme, common problem. I don't have an answer of how to break through that, so I tend to find ways to cope around it or discontinue trying to connect.

I experience it with technical data. If someone starts explaining to me all the steps to diagnose and fix a technical system, I look at them and strain to hear, but the words start sounding like Charlie Brown adults after the first couple of steps. The same is true when people describe all the steps for a recipe, or law, or accounting. I can hear the first part, but then my mind glazes and I'm conscious it's happening, but I can't stop it unless I write it down and go over and over it later. For me Si and Te are my glazed data. For others Fe or Fi is their glazed over data, etc.
 

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Firstly, if a person has a value to keep the peace with others and is idealistic, they may feel they can tolerate a lot of crap from others. They put pressure on themselves to take it. A value of keeping the peace or a value of not controlling others can result in the assumption you have to take a person exactly as they are. Shakespeare even wrote a sonnet about it "Love changes not with its few short years..." Then the idealism breaks down and the person hits a wall and cannot cope with the toxicity any longer and has an emotional breakdown. I value not controlling other people and throughout my life have come to a conclusion that change is a rare occurrence in any human. Slight modifications can sometimes be made, but I don't think people change much. If you cannot accept and relate to someone exactly as they are, don't hope for change. Working on a relationship requires two people. If only one works on it, then there is little hope for improvement.
I can see that. I think people do mellow out with age but it takes a long time and that may or not address the behaviors that are causing a problem.

Secondly the person may be trying to address the problem in the harmful relationship and the other person cannot hear it, so eventually there reaches a point when they stop trying to communicate and just leave.

I have also experienced this in personal relationships where I tried over and over to communicate and the person couldn't/wouldn't hear me.

When an idea does not compute with a person's internal framework of reality, most cannot hear it. This is possibly true of all types, but only differs in the degree to which it happens and the type of information they cannot take in. In my experience in the world it is a fairly extreme, common problem. I don't have an answer of how to break through that, so I tend to find ways to cope around it or discontinue trying to connect.

I have experienced this too. I think what I have evolved towards is to just accept the other person the way they are. I guess it comes down to how intolerable the behavior is. It takes a lot for me to become fed up and walk away and even if I do, I retain a connection to that person. It's not like a permanent thing.

I experience it with technical data. If someone starts explaining to me all the steps to diagnose and fix a technical system, I look at them and strain to hear, but the words start sounding like Charlie Brown adults after the first couple of steps. The same is true when people describe all the steps for a recipe, or law, or accounting. I can hear the first part, but then my mind glazes and I'm conscious it's happening, but I can't stop it unless I write it down and go over and over it later. For me Si and Te are my glazed data. For others Fe or Fi is their glazed over data, etc.

Well I'm a Te and a technology person and I glaze over when someone goes through a lot of detailed sequential technical steps. I hate cooking for the same reason. What I have learned to do to force myself to hear is to take notes on what the other person is saying. It's the only way I'm able to pay attention without wandering off :). Is that function related? I would think it is more the preference for Ni and focusing on the implications of what is being said vs. the details or sequential stuff. Si types tend to be much better with those sequential step type things.
 
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