Tell me why I'm an SFJ

[senza tema]

I feel like every self-typed NFP should now consider why it is they identify with that type and not SFJ, so me too.

If you think I'm an SFJ, give me your arguments for it and make them good. :hi:

[/kinda sorta blatant attention whoring]

Possible indicators of SFJness:

1. I care what people think about me to some extent (not people I don't like though because fuck those people.)
2. I have somewhat old fashioned ideas about love and loyalty.
3. I'm pretty good at assessing other people's group dynamics from the outside.
4. I take external criteria for beauty and style more to heart than I would like.

 

[Yama]

you're not

 

[1487610420]

ur not, ur isfpee stooped

 

[senza tema]

People aren't taking me and my quest seriously.

Once, about five years ago at this point, I briefly but seriously self-typed as an ISFJ 9. Reasons: I considered myself not as flaky as the "typical NFP;" I did and do genuinely care about what (some) other people think of me to a large extent; I don't like treading on people's toes; and I have somewhat old fashioned ideas about love and fidelity.

Also, the depth of my relationship with someone will affect how I treat information coming from them; I don't evaluate personal/relational information "objectively" but rather weigh it differently depending on how I feel about the person in question which doesn't seem very Fi/Te-ish. Like, I'll be more likely to consider something I disagree with if it comes from someone I love and respect. Though that's probably just human nature so oh well.

 

[senza tema]

Oh, just remembered some more Fe-ish stuff as I was brushing my teeth.

1. I'm pretty good at assessing other people's group dynamics from the outside.
2. I'm far more influenced by external standards of physical beauty than I would like and I'm not creative or bold enough to go my own way in this regard. Le sigh.

Gonna edit the OP and put all this in so that people don't just scroll past it! I know how y'all and your wormy little brains work.

(kidding, obvs)

 

[Swivelinglight]

You don't strike me as an isfj

 

[senza tema]

What is wrong with you people, I give you the chance to take something away from me and you don't even try

 

[Riva]

Huh hopefully i will remember to give some feedback to this when i am using a computer.

I dont think you are a isfj.

However for you to claim e7 in your tritype you should have plenty of why-the-fuck-was-i-so-reckless moments that you are willing to share if you are inquired on it. I have plenty of those moments. Hmm.. buy then again i seldom recall and tegret these moments.

 

[fetus]

I'd be happy to help. I'll sleep on it. Maybe you can provide a little more information--an argument for both types? I'll see what I can do tomorrow evening.

 

[Tater]

what do you score on big 5?

 

[senza tema]

what do you score on big 5?

RLUxI

 

[senza tema]

Huh hopefully i will remember to give some feedback to this when i am using a computer.

I dont think you are a isfj.

However for you to claim e7 in your tritype you should have plenty of why-the-fuck-was-i-so-reckless moments that you are willing to share if you are inquired on it. I have plenty of those moments. Hmm.. buy then again i seldom recall and tegret these moments.

The last person I would share these entirely hypothetical stories with would be you, Riva. Sagittarians just don't know how to keep their mouths shut. (unless of course they have Pisces ascendants LIKE ME)

 

[Tater]

RLUxI

i would agree with the mbti type that correlates with (inxp).

most people care what others think about them. doesn't really serve as an indicator.

re: your old fashioned ideas about love and loyalty - this could serve as an indicator depending on why you hold those beliefs. are they more cultural or more personal?

re: being good at assessing group dynamics - sounds most like fe. however, it could be inferior fe in the case you're intp. is this second nature or something you work toward?

re: external beauty - could be fe or se.

at face value, you could synthesize the discrepancies and conclude intp.

 

[Yama]

What is wrong with you people, I give you the chance to take something away from me and you don't even try

i can't help it, i'm such a good noodle little isfj.

 

[senza tema]

i would agree with the mbti type that correlates with (inxp).

most people care what others think about them. doesn't really serve as an indicator.

re: your old fashioned ideas about love and loyalty - this could serve as an indicator depending on why you hold those beliefs. are they more cultural or more personal?

re: being good at assessing group dynamics - sounds most like fe. however, it could be inferior fe in the case you're intp. is this second nature or something you work toward?

re: external beauty - could be fe or se.

at face value, you could synthesize the discrepancies and conclude intp.

1. personal. they're not a particularly big deal in my culture.
2. second nature in a passive way. don't think about them unless asked but when i do i'm pretty darn good.
3. i guess

I have also considered INTP in the past.

 

[Riva]

The last person I would share these entirely hypothetical stories with would be you, Riva. Sagittarians just don't know how to keep their mouths shut. (unless of course they have Pisces ascendants LIKE ME)

Omgosh did you just use Astrology in within the frameworks of western typing? You traitor to the Vedas!

I do know a slight bit on astrology but I know it on numerical terms such as Mars in the 7th House. Perhaps you should put what you said in those terms for me to understand what you said. I am an Aries between according to vedic terms but although we were born on the same day you are probably not an Aries?

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Hmm.. almost every feeling oriented moments I've seen in you can be easily explained with Fi. The ONLY Fe trait I see in you is you seem quite comfortable in groups. It could be extroverted qualities you have adopted as you've grown up or it could be Fe.

But I don't see you ganging up on others for not following the 'this is/I am right and since you are not with us you are ethically WRONG and therefore don't belong here' which we often see in FJs especially INFJ. Holy shit I imagine INFJs are hard people to live with with their ridiculously high standards. ENFJs don't seem to have this which again doesn't make sense theoretically; or maybe they are socially savvy enough to let it pass?

You on the other hand seem to realize that others have their understanding of the world and they are not ethically evil for believing in those.

But you do have that group thingy you seldom see in Fi users, even in extroverted FPs. FPs seem to be at differentiating a comment/a feeling of another from the person itself, which is probably why they don't put you into a box.

Hmmm... maybe it's not a group thingy. Maybe it's a my comfort group thingy. I don't know. Also what I said about FPs above EXPLAINS WHO YOU ARE and what I said about FJs don't.

 

[Kaizer]

2 cents you ask?
fwimbw:

1. history as a major
2. your socialization and especially as a female should have injected/introduced some elements of SFJness stealthily and some not so stealthily

 

[senza tema]

2 cents you ask?
fwimbw:

1. history as a major
2. your socialization and especially as a female should have injected/introduced some elements of SFJness stealthily and some not so stealthily

OK, regarding the first thing ... I will fight anyone to the death on this. But having an interest in history is NOT a product of Si. Any type can be interested in history; they just come to it with very different perspectives.

For some anecdotal evidence, take my grad school cohort. By my dubious typing skills, I'd reckon that 6 out of 28 people are SJs. That's less than a quarter.

That said, maybe my own interest in history is an SFJ thing so I'll talk about it a little. I don't like history because I feel any sense of connection to the past. Especially with the remote past (which is what I study) it's actually a real struggle to develop empathy for one's historical actors. That's one of the challenges I like best though—fleshing out approximations of real living human beings with human desires and human concerns from scant—and unprepossessing—evidence (one of my favorite books is From Memory to Written Record by MT Clanchy, which tracks the rise in literacy and cultures of writing from the twelfth century onward not using attractive narrative sources like histories, philosophical tracts, etc. but the dull business of state bureaucracy—court writs, deeds of sale, receipts, other financial documents, etc. It is extraordinary how one can turn something apparently boring to something so colorful and fascinating.)

Anyway, I think of myself as part detective, part storyteller, part psychologist—or if not psychologist, at least someone who's interested in human behavior and motivations, but from a relatively detached standpoint. I like the challenge of filling in the gaps—big gaps—convincingly. It's fun. But I don't pretend to have historical lessons for our own times. All I bring with me are cautions about how not to use history to support contemporary prejudices.

 

[senza tema]

Omgosh did you just use Astrology in within the frameworks of western typing? You traitor to the Vedas!

I do know a slight bit on astrology but I know it on numerical terms such as Mars in the 7th House. Perhaps you should put what you said in those terms for me to understand what you said. I am an Aries between according to vedic terms but although we were born on the same day you are probably not an Aries?

I don't know what you mean when you say you're an Aries in Vedic astrology. I was going by sun sign. You and I are both Sagittarius because we share a birthday. Anyway, I was joking, as you probably already know, haha. Sagittarius is supposed to have a big mouth and be kinda tactless (and I think that's probably a little bit true for both of us--definitely for you, haha, but for me as well. I am not as tactful as many feelers.)

Hmm.. almost every feeling oriented moments I've seen in you can be easily explained with Fi. The ONLY Fe trait I see in you is you seem quite comfortable in groups. It could be extroverted qualities you have adopted as you've grown up or it could be Fe.

But I don't see you ganging up on others for not following the 'this is/I am right and since you are not with us you are ethically WRONG and therefore don't belong here' which we often see in FJs especially INFJ. Holy shit I imagine INFJs are hard people to live with with their ridiculously high standards. ENFJs don't seem to have this which again doesn't make sense theoretically; or maybe they are socially savvy enough to let it pass?

You on the other hand seem to realize that others have their understanding of the world and they are not ethically evil for believing in those.

But you do have that group thingy you seldom see in Fi users, even in extroverted FPs. FPs seem to be at differentiating a comment/a feeling of another from the person itself, which is probably why they don't put you into a box.

Hmmm... maybe it's not a group thingy. Maybe it's a my comfort group thingy. I don't know. Also what I said about FPs above EXPLAINS WHO YOU ARE and what I said about FJs don't.

Thanks for this Riva. Your perceptions are much appreciated.

Regarding groups, I'm only comfortable in groups of people I like. In big groups where there are lots of people I don't know, I tend to cling to the one person I do know for dear life. Like a leech.

I do want to say that I have definite ideas of right and wrong and usually tend to think I'm right but I'm pretty laissez faire about what other people do. As long as they don't impose upon my space or give my friends a hard time they can do what they want. I just make sure to keep to myself, shake my head and think they're wrong from a distance. I don't really feel I have the power to change anyone anyway.

 

[Riva]

^

I was also talking about my Sun sign. The Sun sign changes every few hours which means even if you were born in the same day if you were born with a few hours apart you would have a different sun sign. A person who is born 6 hours before or after me could have a completely different sun sign. I thought you knew that . Accordingly my sun sign is Aries.

Emotionally gentle i definitely not. But as i've grown older and my Fe becomes stronger i am learning to become more gentle towards others' feelings.

I wouldnt call lacking emotional gentleness a lack of tact. To say it in the shorteat possible way, i consider tact to have the ability to use your cards at the right time until which holding on to them .