Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Light

[Beorn]

Actually no, I decide what matters to me. You matter

Note, I used the word "really" as in "real." You're just pretending things matter, according to you.

 

[Luke O]

Note, I used the word "really" as in "real." You're just pretending things matter, according to you.

We're all pretending though, really.

 

[Mole]

Not merely. Such abuse lends itself upon your concience for all life subtly. The fear of hell, the "not knowing" for certain. The stories we hear. It pervades human conciousness like a jail cell we cannot break from. We become entrapped in our own fear, despite this promise of love.

Even adults are taken, for it extends beyond mere children.

Yes, even the Churches are back-pedalling on Hell. Some say Hell doesn't exist and some say, if it does exist, there is no one in Hell.

And there is a precedent, for in 2007 the Roman Catholic Church abolished Limbo, after believing in and teaching about Limbo for 800 years.

So why not abolish Hell when it is selling so badly?

 

[Kanra Jest]

Yes, even the Churches are back-pedalling on Hell. Some say Hell doesn't exist and some say, if it does exist, there is no one in Hell.

And there is a precedent, for in 2007 the Roman Catholic Church abolished Limbo, after believing in and teaching about Limbo for 800 years.

So why not abolish Hell when it is selling so badly?

Limbo seems much more sane and intriguing than hell, honestly.

Why not abolish? Because some always believe it and have "visions" of its truth time and again. Like some of those "visions after death" or whatnot, things like that keeping this fear driven doctrine going strong. Near-Death Experience or something I believe it's called.

As for how hell is. Well, supposedly it was "for the devil and his angels" and yet humans fall in it in majority which is something God despite his sorrow can't prevent. Simply makes no sense.

 

[Luke O]

Yes, even the Churches are back-pedalling on Hell. Some say Hell doesn't exist and some say, if it does exist, there is no one in Hell.

And there is a precedent, for in 2007 the Roman Catholic Church abolished Limbo, after believing in and teaching about Limbo for 800 years.

So why not abolish Hell when it is selling so badly?

I bet you some guys are mad at losing their jobs when the church closed Limbo down. It reopened as some goddamn Wine Bar.

 

[Zangetshumody]

Ooh, are we going to have a Lord-off? I haven't been to a Lord-off in ages!

Srsly- I grew up with this kind of doctrinal minutiae being shouted about a la "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" and it really turned me off. IMO the truth can accommodate multiple interpretations and even some contradiction. Fully expect to get the "not a real Christian" lecture for this.

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I made a voice note that I think its pretty accurate in lumping in most Christian denominations in their broad mistaken moves. Being born again is seen as a kindof even, and as long you as you perpetuate the 'magic' of that ritual, you have ongoing integrity to whatever extent you can live up to it... which usually just turns into some kind of 'detachment' circus, and while detachment from the flesh is part of the work of salvation, it is not proof of the Holy Spirit, nor its prerequisite, nor the Holy Spirit a feeling of supernatural patriarchy (similar to some sort of Pagan sky father). In my steadfast opinion, the scriptures are clear that only the character of Jesus, alive in your flesh, is the mark of a completed salvation.

1Jn_4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Therefore, unless you can say my personality is Jesus Christ, whatever you choose to label your doctrine, is about as similar to Bhudhism with its committment to be 'pure', than any real understanding of Christianity. The Holy Spirit is Christ-consciousness, without the identical "mind of Christ", there is just a continual languishing in the detachment-circuit, because sin is not overcome by a metaphysical 'big brother'. Jesus Christ is a spiritual name, not a person;- it is the personality of righteousness, which is only unlocked by building doctrine from the mysteries the bibles presents to us.

example:
Eph_3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Mar_4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

[MENTION=2]Ivy[/MENTION], Of all the very many people I know that self-identify as Christians, I do consider the vast majority to not resemble anything like Christian understanding. So the 'not real-Christian' category in my mind is (relatively unpopular with the world), since disputes on doctrine is best something to be avoided as evidenced by the sentiments you expressed, I take it that the fellowship numbers are your source of comfort? There is also scripture on a numbers issue I would share aswell:

Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Luk 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
Luk 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

 

[violet_crown]

What would Jesus do?

Probably hang out with his ese's and be chill and stuff. Maybe go visit his mom Maria and his dad José. Idk.

 

[D'Ascoyne]

his dad José

Hahahaha

 

[/DG/]

I have the comfort in knowing there is no God. That's all. No worrying about whether I will go to Heaven or Hell when I die.

Not here to convert anyone or be converted by anyone, but I also don't believe in any sort of deity or afterlife...but it's not at all comforting. On the contrary, it's rather terrifying and depressing. I'd hardly call it "comfort" to believe this sort of thing. Those that believe in an afterlife have comfort.

 

[Beorn]

We're all pretending though, really.

And yet, somehow your pretending is superior which is completely irrational.

 

[Luke O]

Not here to convert anyone or be converted by anyone, but I also don't believe in any sort of deity or afterlife...but it's not at all comforting. On the contrary, it's rather terrifying and depressing. I'd hardly call it "comfort" to believe this sort of thing. Those that believe in an afterlife have comfort.

Did you previously believe?

 

[Luke O]

And yet, somehow your pretending is superior which is completely irrational.

Why is your way of pretending better than mine, Beorn?

 

[Pionart]

This is why your doctrine falls down in my opinion.

Man is only a vessel.
Jesus Christ is not the name of a vessel.
Jesus Christ is the name of the vessel's course.

Thats what:

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

means.

The personal crucifixion of someone else is meaningless, his Resurrection is only meaningful because it promises life after your crucifixion.

Followers of Christ must crucify their flesh, there is no vicarious redemption, only by transforming your own character into the image of Jesus Christ is there salvation..

Luk_9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
1Co_15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

You make a persuasive argument, but check out this badboy:

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son so that whoever believeth in Him shall not die, but have eternal life."

Check. Mate.

 

[Poki]

Jesus is the truth made me laugh. Not because "Jesus" is the truth...but because truth was put in light of religion. I don't think religious people who follow Jesus would know truth if it bit them in the ass...more see it as some annoying shit keeping them from true enlightenment. When the dust settles, it's Jesus kicking them in the ass and trying to drag them the correct way while they are kicking and screaming...the snake is out to get me, God help me please.

Truth and religion is oxy-moronic. Truth and Jesus or God...that's a different argument.

 

[Ivy]

You make a persuasive argument, but check out this badboy:

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son so that whoever believeth in Him shall not die, but have eternal life."

Check. Mate.

This is my kind of Lord-off. Usually I hate both sides.

 

[Pionart]

Guys, I'm being serious, Jesus really is the Truth, the Way and the Light,

I mean, I should know, cos like, I'm actually... err...



shhhhhh

 

[Ivy]

Hmm.. well, this is awkward.

 

[Forever]

Guys, I'm being serious, Jesus really is the Truth, the Way and the Light,

I mean, I should know, cos like, I'm actually... err...



shhhhhh

Religious? Well stop acting unconfident then.

I was a missionary and a sort of religious boy and growing up and I felt ashamed to be a member of my religion. I had to go to church growing up, which I mean they're my parents, I respect their wishes, some of you may disagree. While I'm no longer religious, I do have a sort of understanding for those who believe.

John 3:16 is a highly overused scripture btw, it's nice but the interpretations taken from it can be stretched and people don't use other scriptures to support their arguments.

 

[Pionart]

Religious? Well stop acting unconfident then.

But, but... I'll hurt people's feelings

 

[Forever]

But, but... I'll hurt people's feelings

You believe I'm going to hell that if I don't believe in Jesus? Tormented in my own sins? Well the first big thing that lead to me to no longer believe in religion is that I entertained that there was no devil and we are more accountable of our actions and have to fight our own pre disposed human nature rather than saying, oh Satan did it again

Hell doesn't scare me if I am comfortable with it not existing lol.