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Gay and transexuals

Poki

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Sexuality is action. Not feelings.

love is feelings.

Sex is action, sexuality is feeling. I mean if a woman just feels like they need to bend someone over and pound them...that is feelings. If someone has strong desire to eat out a woman and make her squirm that's feeling. Sex itself is action.

There is lots of overlap in it all.
 
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Why even post on a thread about discussing this topic if you have no intention of actually discussing anything? I'm sincerely disappointed that we can't just have a mature exchange of opinions.

Because


Reads like an atheist unsubtly trolling as an extremist Christian to incite hatred towards organised religion.
 

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Trolling and being cruel. Hrm. I see. Bae must be going through a hard time.

No it's not trolling. It's a bizarre thing when you see an otherwise valued and intelligent member of the community start making absurd statements. It's more cultural than religious, since, many churches now accept gay priests and marriages etc. When I say cultural I mean on a pretty local level too. So yah even fundamentals have INFJ's etc.
 

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Is the reason I can't seem to get a reply to my counter-argument post or any of the posts I made after that because I'm an insane tranny molestation victim, or is it because they're not actually good enough arguments to respond to?

Am I going to be unable to participate much in this thread any longer?
 

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Is the reason I can't seem to get a reply to my counter-argument post or any of the posts I made after that because I'm an insane tranny molestation victim, or is it because they're not actually good enough arguments to respond to?

Am I going to be unable to participate much in this thread any longer?
Hey my arguments are top notch, and bae is giving me the cold shoulder too.
 

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Transexuality is an internal feeling of not identifying as one's biological gender. Gayness is a feeling of being attracted to someone of the same sex for interaction of some kind, minimally, a loving bond of some kind.

Being trans is internal, being gay is more external.

Trans people have a drive to reconcile their body with their internal gender in order to feel 'right'. (please excuse semantics here, I realize there are many variations in these concepts). Gay people have a drive to be with people of the same sex to feel 'right'. In both cases, it is about changing one's biological body or function to match how one is feeling. Feelings come from many sources and are multi-varied. To say that, based on feelings, we can know that a person is gay biologically or transgender biologically is illogical, because feelings can be illogical!

If gay men have a brain similar to females it is simply because they have biologically suppressed their testosterone urges in themselves. We know that new fathers who co-sleep with babies do this as well: their estrogen increases and their testosterone decreases making them more empathic and gentle. Hormones are regulated by the brain. It should not come as a surprise to any intelligent being that this need not be a physical origin, but that it can stem from psychological origins.



I think switch is an apt word, and works well.

There seems to be a lot of anger and lashing out on Type C over gayness being from psycho-social origin rather than physical origin. And that living a gay lifestyle is a choice one makes, not something that one has to embrace. I wonder why all the anger?

I BELIEVE (my own opinion): Being gay is a disorder that should be explored for a cause and a treatment. And living a gay lifestyle is a willful choice to act out one's sexual desires in a less-than-ideal way (sinful) way.


Feeling gay is perhaps beyond someone's control, but that does not mean those feelings stem from biological origins. And no study will prove that, because it simply is not true. At least not for the majority of people who identify as 'gay'.

Instead we should be asking, "What makes me have gay feelings?" And, "Why and when did I start feeling gay feelings?" And, "What do I (as a man) feel like I can get from another man that I cannot get from a woman?"

And I think that is where the real interesting studies lie.


~Peace

And, Christians should love unconditionally, no matter what your behaviors are, or what you call yourself.

As a Christian myself, I understand where you are coming from. As I grew up surrounded by this same opinion.

The fundamental error is in why this opinion is held.

1) I would have to believe that homosexuality is a choice because God doesn't make mistakes and he couldn't create this inherent in his image if his teachings condemn it. Or - equally - if that person burdened with homosexual urges just "tried hard enough" and had faith they could "overcome" it.

2) If I didn't believe in #1, I could accept that homosexuality is maybe not an all or nothing phenomenon. That there is a scale. A mix of nature/nurture depending upon where someone lies in their spectrum of sexual arousal. (A bi man might find it easier to go along with traditional male/female pairing and shun his attraction to men to fit in. Whereas, a gay man may find this not viable and frankly, disingenuous to who he is as a person. He would be living a lie.)

3) This belief is harmful because whether you are saying it about sexuality, mental illness (devil possession), cancer (if you just have enough faith you can be cured) ....ALL of these religious ideas are really dangerous when pushed onto the people who suffer from them because the people experiencing these things are silenced. It's condescending, at the least. Judgemental, certainly. As if the average Christians "sins" are more pure...pffft. Please.

4) This belief doesn't let the individual seek his or her own path to salvation. Let them live their lives. You don't have to answer to for them at Heavens Gate. David killed men. Committed murder, yet he is a paragon of Christianity because of his love for God.

Why then isn't a homosexual worthy of the same status?

I'm not trying to make you change your beliefs. I would just like you to question why you believe them to the point that you are shut off from understanding it from their perspective.

Doesn't mean you have to agree with it - but it's not your place or mine to judge whether someone is worthy or unworthy of God's love and therefore provide them with our censure. It's not your place or mine to judge the path they are walking.
 

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As a Christian myself, I understand where you are coming from. As I grew up surrounded by this same opinion.

The fundamental error is in why this opinion is held.

1) I would have to believe that homosexuality is a choice because God doesn't make mistakes and he couldn't create this inherent in his image if his teachings condemn it. Or - equally - if that person burdened with homosexual urges just "tried hard enough" and had faith they could "overcome" it.

2) If I didn't believe in #1, I could accept that homosexuality is maybe not an all or nothing phenomenon. That there is a scale. A mix of nature/nurture depending upon where someone lies in their spectrum of sexual arousal. (A bi man might find it easier to go along with traditional male/female pairing and shun his attraction to men to fit in. Whereas, a gay man may find this not viable and frankly, disingenuous to who he is as a person. He would be living a lie.)

3) This belief is harmful because whether you are saying it about sexuality, mental illness (devil possession), cancer (if you just have enough faith you can be cured) ....ALL of these religious ideas are really dangerous when pushed onto the people who suffer from them because the people experiencing these things are silenced. It's condescending, at the least. Judgemental, certainly. As if the average Christians "sins" are more pure...pffft. Please.

4) This belief doesn't let the individual seek his or her own path to salvation. Let them live their lives. You don't have to answer to for them at Heavens Gate. David killed men. Committed murder, yet he is a paragon of Christianity because of his love for God.

Why then isn't a homosexual worthy of the same status?

I'm not trying to make you change your beliefs. I would just like you to question why you believe them to the point that you are shut off from understanding it from their perspective.

Doesn't mean you have to agree with it - but it's not your place or mine to judge whether someone is worthy or unworthy of God's love and therefore provide them with our censure. It's not your place or mine to judge the path they are walking.

Hi, how are you? I don't think we've talked much to each other, but I dig your motorcycle. :smile:



God's love was never on the table. God's never leaves us nor abandons us, and He always loves us, no matter what. His love is unconditional and Jesus personified this.


Your #1 is not my belief. The fact that someone can start to have gay feelings from a young enough age that they think they are born gay (which is odd in itself because normally children, unless coached, do not think of sexual matters with others until much older, even though they might masturbate from a young age [which can be abnormal too, if began super young] does not mean God made them that way. And you are feeding my point which is we ARE made in God's perfect image, and God is clear about homosexuality among men being an abomination unto God.

But just as He did not make us murderers, some become murderers. My point being that God makes us from birth ready to go forth unto righteousness. That, for reasons of evil, does not always come to fruition in a person's youth. Because of developmental issues stemming from parental relationships (namely the same sex parent in this case), a person might find over time they have a driving need to get something from someone of the same sex. Often that manifests as sexual feelings, because this drive is so intense.

God makes us with the ability to choose sin, while clearly giving us His Word in the form of the Bible to know right from wrong. He further clarifies this in His rhema (or living Spirit) when you grow closer with Him.

I am saying that when someone begins noticing a gay side of themselves, that most likely stems from a dysfunctional attachment disorder, usually with a parent. And this underlying disorder could ideally be addressed. In theory, if it were addressed adequately, and prayer through Jesus Christ were utilized, that person would begin to naturally move away from gay feelings, as those unmet needs from the same sex parent are met through God.

If gay therapy has not worked it is likely because the person themselves did not want it. Or the therapists were not qualified.

Finally, in our culture we tie gayness up with sexuality, and they really are two separate things. I preach it all the time, anyone can sex with anyone or anything. Sexuality is fluid and fleshly. Love need not be involved. Unconditional love and acceptance are available to us now more than ever since Jesus came, and we should understand that our true love is given to us by God, or is God Himself (in cases where someone is led to the ascetic life), it is not something we should seek because we have gay feelings clouding our judgment. Sex is subjugate to love.

We are far too ready to sex first, and love last. Therefore we get hurt far more than we should.

Can someone live a gay lifestyle? Sure! God gives free will and I am not going to get in the way of that, nor advocate it. I am just illuminating the truth about gayness and sexuality.

~selah
 

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I can't believe sucking a dick makes me a murderer
 

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Also, David repented of his sin of murder and was miserable about it. That is the thrust of many of the psalms.

Knowing homosexuality is a sin and acting it out anyway in sexual ways is a presumptuous sin and an abomination unto God.

Having gay feelings is understandable and God gives grace to us for our feelings and emotions.

God cares about actions, including actions in our heart and in our deepest parts; willfulness.
 

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Hi, how are you? I don't think we've talked much to each other, but I dig your motorcycle. :smile:



God's love was never on the table. God's never leaves us nor abandons us, and He always loves us, no matter what. His love is unconditional and Jesus personified this.


Your #1 is not my belief. The fact that someone can start to have gay feelings from a young enough age that they think they are born gay (which is odd in itself because normally children, unless coached, do not think of sexual matters with others until much older, even though they might masturbate from a young age [which can be abnormal too, if began super young] does not mean God made them that way. And you are feeding my point which is we ARE made in God's perfect image, and God is clear about homosexuality among men being an abomination unto God.

But just as He did not make us murderers, some become murderers. My point being that God makes us from birth ready to go forth unto righteousness. That, for reasons of evil, does not always come to fruition in a person's youth. Because of developmental issues stemming from parental relationships (namely the same sex parent in this case), a person might find over time they have a driving need to get something from someone of the same sex. Often that manifests as sexual feelings, because this drive is so intense.

God makes us with the ability to choose sin, while clearly giving us His Word in the form of the Bible to know right from wrong. He further clarifies this in His rhema (or living Spirit) when you grow closer with Him.

I am saying that when someone begins noticing a gay side of themselves, that most likely stems from a dysfunctional attachment disorder, usually with a parent. And this underlying disorder could ideally be addressed. In theory, if it were addressed adequately, and prayer through Jesus Christ were utilized, that person would begin to naturally move away from gay feelings, as those unmet needs from the same sex parent are met through God.

If gay therapy has not worked it is likely because the person themselves did not want it. Or the therapists were not qualified.

Finally, in our culture we tie gayness up with sexuality, and they really are two separate things. I preach it all the time, anyone can sex with anyone or anything. Sexuality is fluid and fleshly. Love need not be involved. Unconditional love and acceptance are available to us now more than ever since Jesus came, and we should understand that our true love is given to us by God, or is God Himself (in cases where someone is led to the ascetic life), it is not something we should seek because we have gay feelings clouding our judgment. Sex is subjugate to love.

We are far too ready to sex first, and love last. Therefore we get hurt far more than we should.

Can someone live a gay lifestyle? Sure! God gives free will and I am not going to get in the way of that, nor advocate it. I am just illuminating the truth about gayness and sexuality.

~selah

The non-judgemental judger...lol. I am not judging God is, he is just speaking through me. I am just laying out the facts of what I believe as if they are truth to everyone because "I" believe they are.
 

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It's like abortion. All the possible children you have stopped from being born.

Oh yeah...isn't masturbation prohibited for similar reasons or something :unsure:
 

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No.

And God gives the ability to men to not procreate.

Why does everyone want to make God the bad guy?

I'm a Christian, I just follow my own interpretation of the religion. I think people are making you the bad guy - not God.
 

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I'm a Christian, I just follow my own interpretation of the religion. I think people are making you the bad guy - not God.

Then are not a true Christian. Christians believe in and try to adhere to the Bible.

It's like saying I am a Aristotelian but don't believe in his writings.
 

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Then are not a true Christian. Christians believe in and try to adhere to the Bible.

It's like saying I am a Aristotelian but don't believe in his writings.

Sike bitch you thought! You thunk that thought! That thought you think you thunk!

Also you're not a 7
 
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