WTF Hollywood?!

[miss fortune]

Very well, I will stay out of this thread as requested.

no, you're here now so you must answer my question!

I do not ask questions that I don't want answers to and now you've walked into a trap! *mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha*

 

[miss fortune]

The Thomas Crown Affair - Rene Russo's character: Smart as a whip. Strong-willed. She didn't take crap from anyone and didn't lose one ounce of her femininity. She was an equal match for Thomas Crown. (I loved her character.)

and we totally need more characters like her! obviously someone actually was familiar with the concept that women are people too and that strength doesn't mean losing one's femininity... too bad a good portion of other writers don't get that

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

no, you're here now so you must answer my question!

I do not ask questions that I don't want answers to and now you've walked into a trap! *mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha*

Maybe this is a bad example and falls too much into the tropes you mentioned above, but the original Alien?

 

[TreeBob]

meaning, I'm generally aware of ESTPs who have been posting forever elsewhere since there are so few of us on such websites

You are an ESTP as well? Nice.

I mean, you have things like Kill Bill, Mad Max:Fury Road, Resident Evil, Ultraviolet, I Spit on Your Grave (though those guys deserved for SOMETHING terrible to befall them!) and such where the protagonist is a pissed off woman who goes around and behaves like a male action star and then they get called "strong female characters" and such- how? there's rarely even any character development or much background to let us know if they really ARE a strong female character or if they just like killing people! You don't get people praising Rambo for teaching little boys how to be strong for goodness sake

I guess this is the part where you gave examples. I read part of the sentence wrong and took a different meaning from it. I dont' read a lot of movie reviews though so I wasn't aware that they sometimes were labeled oddly. I liked a lot of those movies though and I kind of just watch movies for what they are. I am a big Miyazaki fan and he tends to always have female leads in his stories.

Rambo was awesome...

 

[BadOctopus]

[MENTION=16019]TreeBob[/MENTION] Good example. Miyazaki is an excellent example of a filmmaker who knows how to write strong female characters.

Anywho, I chalk it up to Hollywood's uncanny talent for double standards when it comes to gender. Like how there are many "ugly", as in not conventionally attractive, actors in Hollywood. I can think of quite a few. But how many ugly actresses can you think of? Unless they're in comedy. Even then, they're rare, and it's hard for them to get work. Ugly women just aren't allowed in show business.

 

[evilrubberduckie]

I think "the devil wear prada" is the best pro feminine movie out there that i know of.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I think "the devil wear prada" is the best pro feminine movie out there that i know of.

Oooh, yes. That's a feminist movie. Another good feminist movie, well, really it's more of a play, is The Taming of the Shrew.

 

[Evee]

[MENTION=1180]whatever[/MENTION] is a girl?! Whoa.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

[MENTION=1180]whatever[/MENTION] is a girl?! Whoa.

Since you're an INFP and not an ESTP, I will let that slide in order to appear objective.

 

[miss fortune]

Since you're an INFP and not an ESTP, I will let that slide in order to appear objective.

and what do you have against ESTPs?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

and what do you have against ESTPs?

Nothing. But I used to date one. An excellent thing about dating ESxx types is that you learn what they are capable of, and maybe even some of their tricks.

Anyway, it didn't really work because she didn't really like hanging out in smaller group settings.... she kind of wanted me to be someone to show off to her friends (and she had a lot), and there was only so much I was willing to do to accommodate that.

 

[miss fortune]

Oooh, yes. That's a feminist movie. Another good feminist movie, well, really it's more of a play, is The Taming of the Shrew.

so is 10 Things I Hate About You (which was part of the late 90s/early 2000s "let's update shakespere" movement)

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

so is 10 Things I Hate About You (which was part of the late 90s/early 2000s "let's update shakespere" movement)

The Lion King is basically Hamlet with a happy ending.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I always thought Ripley was a good female character because she was more realistic. Yes, she could kick ass, but she was deliberate and thoughtful about her actions and the situations she was forced into. I'd like to see more of these traits in both male and female action heroes

What's funny to me is how male leads in hollywood have become more sensitive (case in point: Daniel Craig's Bond), inverse to female leads becoming increasingly brutish ass kickers. Perhaps someone already made this point but thread is TL;DR.

Hollywood has a way of taking things to extremes and beating popular archetypes like dead horses.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I always thought Ripley was a good female character because she was more realistic. Yes, she could kick ass, but she was deliberate and thoughtful about her actions and the situations she was forced in. .

Yeah, I liked Ripley in the movie not so much because she kicked ass, but because she was really the most rational person in the whole movie. The movie also inverted the standard hollywood trope of "by-the-book" people as villains or ineffectual impediments to the heroes..... she wanted to follow procedure and not let the alien on the damn ship.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Yeah, I liked Ripley in the movie not so much because she kicked ass, but because she was really the most rational person in the whole movie. The movie also inverted the standard hollywood trope of "by-the-book" people as villains or ineffectual impediments to the heroes..... she wanted to follow procedure and not let the alien on the damn ship.

Right.

I felt similarly about Mr. Spock. I like the episode The Galileo Seven when he basically says, 'we don't have time to worry about the dead guy's corpse or we could all die.' I saw that episode as a kid and even then I thought he was the only person making sense.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Right.

I felt similarly about Mr. Spock. I like the episode The Galileo Seven when he basically says, 'we don't have time to worry about the dead guy's corpse or we could all die.' I saw that episode as a kid and even then I thought he was the only person making sense.

I know what you mean.

There's a trope for that:

[video]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSpock[/video]

Look at the Real Life instances for some fun examples!

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I know what you mean.

There's a trope for that:

[video]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSpock[/video]

Look at the Real Life instances for some fun examples!

That's such a great site.

Kind of unrelated and here I go derailing another thread, but my favorite is The Main Characters Do Everything

edit: I just noticed this:

INTPs on the Myers-Briggs scale are stereotypically like this. INTJs, too. "Does it work?"

 

[prplchknz]

[MENTION=1180]whatever[/MENTION] is a girl?! Whoa.

no she's a lady

 

[Evee]

no she's a lady

A lady? Are you sure?
[MENTION=1180]whatever[/MENTION] Can you confirm?