WTF Hollywood?!

[miss fortune]

It kind of annoys me that most time that a movie is haled as being "feminist" it tends to have the female characters (or at least the protagonist) going around beating people and killing them and I really don't get how that's particularly pro-HUMAN, let alone pro feminist

I mean, you have things like Kill Bill, Mad Max:Fury Road, Resident Evil, Ultraviolet, I Spit on Your Grave (though those guys deserved for SOMETHING terrible to befall them!) and such where the protagonist is a pissed off woman who goes around and behaves like a male action star and then they get called "strong female characters" and such- how? there's rarely even any character development or much background to let us know if they really ARE a strong female character or if they just like killing people! You don't get people praising Rambo for teaching little boys how to be strong for goodness sake

I don't get it... there are plenty of good examples out there of women who use their brains and such to make things BETTER for people (like Clueless, for an example... yeah, it was a comedy, but it showed the evolution of the main character into someone who was less concerned about her image and who did have concern for the happiness of others... or Legally Blonde, where the main character overcomes stereotypes and succeeds thanks to being smart, being a decent person and working her ass off) but they aren't generally the ones who get praise

Basically this is a "what the hell people? is this what you want girls to grow up aiming for? that strength = asskicking instead of that we can overcome obstacles and ourselves to make something better?"

this is not a debate on feminism or men's rights or what have you... I really don't want to hear about divorces, custody or pay differences here because it's not what I'm asking about... I'm simply curious as to what the fuck is up with movie people

 

[TreeBob]

It kind of annoys me that most time that a movie is haled as being "feminist" it tends to have the female characters (or at least the protagonist) going around beating people and killing them and I really don't get how that's particularly pro-HUMAN, let alone pro feminist

I mean, you have things like Kill Bill, Mad Max:Fury Road, Resident Evil, Ultraviolet, I Spit on Your Grave (though those guys deserved for SOMETHING terrible to befall them!) and such where the protagonist is a pissed off woman who goes around and behaves like a male action star and then they get called "strong female characters" and such- how? there's rarely even any character development or much background to let us know if they really ARE a strong female character or if they just like killing people! You don't get people praising Rambo for teaching little boys how to be strong for goodness sake

I don't get it... there are plenty of good examples out there of women who use their brains and such to make things BETTER for people (like Clueless, for an example... yeah, it was a comedy, but it showed the evolution of the main character into someone who was less concerned about her image and who did have concern for the happiness of others... or Legally Blonde, where the main character overcomes stereotypes and succeeds thanks to being smart, being a decent person and working her ass off) but they aren't generally the ones who get praise

Basically this is a "what the hell people? is this what you want girls to grow up aiming for? that strength = asskicking instead of that we can overcome obstacles and ourselves to make something better?"

this is not a debate on feminism or men's rights or what have you... I really don't want to hear about divorces, custody or pay differences here because it's not what I'm asking about... I'm simply curious as to what the fuck is up with movie people

Maybe you could give us an example of the movie that has presently set you off, causing you to write this thread.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Maybe you could give us an example of the movie that has presently set you off, causing you to write this thread.

I think this is a good thread. There is no reason to piss on interesting subject matter. I enjoy discussions about gender roles, despite being a fedora neckbeard (a trait which usually means I must abstain from said discussions).

I don't see why people, especially women, who are interested in discussing gender can't participate in this thread.

 

[Beorn]

Maybe you could give us an example of the movie that has presently set you off, causing you to write this thread.

I have my guess.

 

[miss fortune]

Maybe you could give us an example of the movie that has presently set you off, causing you to write this thread.

nothing in particular... just wondering about that really

and I DID give several examples...

I mean, I'm all for kicking people's asses on occasion because it's kind of fun, but someone shouldn't have to be a gender-flipped action hero to be a role model...

seriously, I'm off work due to arm surgery for these past couple of weeks... I have all the time in the world to ponder random shit

 

[TreeBob]

I think this is a good thread. There is no reason to piss on interesting subject matter. I enjoy discussions about gender roles, despite being a fedora neckbeard (a trait which usually means I must abstain from said discussions).

I don't see why people, especially women, who are interested in discussing gender can't participate in this thread.

Maybe you should read my post in a different context maybe? I am asking a legitimate question so that I can adequately address the OP. I have not heard of many movies being called feminist and I WANT TO KNOW what movies he might be referring to.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Maybe you should read my post in a different context maybe? I am asking a legitimate question so that I can adequately address the OP. I have not heard of many movies being called feminist and I WANT TO KNOW what movies he might be referring to.

whatever is a woman. I guess I could see how someone who is still wrapped up in clinging to antiquated gender roles could make that mistake, though.

 

[TreeBob]

whatever is a woman. I guess I could see how someone who is still wrapped up in clinging to antiquated gender roles could make that mistake, though.

Sweet fuck vulcan. How do I have antiquated gender roles? What is wrong with your head dude. I asked for an example of a movie.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Sweet fuck vulcan. How do I have antiquated gender roles? What is wrong with your head dude. I asked for an example of a movie.

You got the OP's gender wrong.

 

[miss fortune]

whatever is a woman. I guess I could see how someone who is still wrapped up in clinging to antiquated gender roles could make that mistake, though.

I think that the little pink heart accenting the adorable snake in my avatar makes that clear

it really is a cute snake though... I found it by searching "cute snake"



pretty much my question in shorter terms was, however, "why must movie women behave like dudes to be considered properly strong?"

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I think that the little pink heart accenting the adorable snake in my avatar makes that clear

it really is a cute snake though... I found it by searching "cute snake"

Yeah... and you've alluded to it and posted numerous pics. I would think anyone truly invested in the forum would know that.

pretty much my question in shorter terms was, however, "why must movie women behave like dudes to be considered properly strong?"

That is an excellent question. I wish I knew the answer.

 

[miss fortune]

Yeah... and you've alluded to it and posted numerous pics. I would think anyone truly invested in the forum would know that.

I'm also pretty sure that [MENTION=16019]TreeBob[/MENTION] is aware of my gender... you know, ESTP-ness and such

 

[TreeBob]

I would think anyone truly invested in the forum would know that.
.

I see, so this is what you are really about.

 

[TreeBob]

I'm also pretty sure that [MENTION=16019]TreeBob[/MENTION] is aware of my gender... you know, ESTP-ness and such

I actually had no idea. I am used to PerC and I rely on the gender tag for my answers. People often think I should be more of a womanizer because I am an ESTP, but I don't have the time to stalk people anymore. I do like to see pics, so please send them all to me

I am just too lazy to go find them.

 

[miss fortune]

and now we see where problems come from:

can we debate the damned topic instead of my gender for fuck's sake?

 

[miss fortune]

I actually had no idea. I am used to PerC and I rely on the gender tag for my answers. People often think I should be more of a womanizer because I am an ESTP, but I don't have the time to stalk people anymore. I do like to see pics, so please send them all to me

I am just too lazy to go find them.

meaning, I'm generally aware of ESTPs who have been posting forever elsewhere since there are so few of us on such websites

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

and now we see where problems come from:

can we debate the damned topic instead of my gender for fuck's sake?

I agree. [MENTION=16019]TreeBob[/MENTION] has really contributed to a derail.

 

[miss fortune]

I agree. [MENTION=16019]TreeBob[/MENTION] has really contributed to a derail.

don't go pointing fingers, Mr.

my vagina is not up for debate, at least not in the arts and entertainment forum

 

[Jaguar]

The Thomas Crown Affair - Rene Russo's character: Smart as a whip. Strong-willed. She didn't take crap from anyone and didn't lose one ounce of her femininity. She was an equal match for Thomas Crown. (I loved her character.)

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

don't go pointing fingers, Mr.

my vagina is not up for debate, at least not in the arts and entertainment forum

Very well, I will stay out of this thread as requested.