Fe vs Fi (INFJ vs INFP)

[Kullervo]

Hmm... I'd recommend a better quality description than that to go on. Have you seen this one? Description of Intuitive Ethical Integrator (IEI)

Regarding the J/P dichotomy, my advice would be to ignore it, especially if you are a Feeler. The way J is described in MBTI is almost entirely TJ, needing order, consistency, closure, planning etc. and largely doesn't mention FJ tendencies to organise and judge emotions and sentiments, rather than structures and orders.

Regarding Ni vs. Ne cognition, the difference should always be whether you are someone who wants to expand the possibilities and find more and more things you could be doing, or if you want to limit the possibilities in setting out a clear path or outcome to work towards.

You have distilled the difference between Ni and Ne cognition very well for me. I have constantly being hit by ideas so I have to try and limit them to avoid becoming overwhelmed. I always look to create a clear path but this isn't something I am particularly good at following through on. So yes I see Ni over Ne.

Your link was also very helpful. I feel more confident that I have typed myself correctly now having read through it. For example:

IEIs can be characterised by a continuous search for meaning and purpose in their lives and the world in general. With a tendency to detach from daily affairs, they enter a state of deep self-reflection, looking back through their recollections and looking ahead to the probable future which they feel humanity is heading towards. Frequently, an IEI will be disposed towards the wanderings of their imagination, running memories through their mind again and again to fathom the steps of their personal journey.

Frequently, they will seek to express their insights to people, often through some art form such as music or writing, or through some political or humanitarian outlet. Often there is an alternative, dark or gothic feel to such expression, providing a sense of the fantastical but which to them feels more real than cheesy cliché. Through such approaches, they seek to inspire others and will derive a strong sense of belonging and identification with those groups and congregations who openly support them in their endeavours.

Due to their tendency towards self-reflection, IEIs do not tend to place many demands on their bodies, allowing them to stay in a good physical state. They may even be able to relax and enjoy the moment in the company of their friends. However, at heart, IEIs are ascetics and do not see much value in the simplicity of the day to day. Instead, they will see daily tasks as mundane and pointless unless it serves some higher purpose, lacking the crucial elements that contribute to the big picture.

With their focus on a singular, underlying purpose, the IEI has little interest in speculating or brainstorming multiple possibilities. Although they are perfectly capable of considering multiple alternatives, they choose not to unless it is absolutely necessary to the situation. After all, considering back-ups or alternatives to the main vision suggests that the predicted outcome may be wrong, and would only lead to confusion and dissolution of resolve. Rather than dip into a variety of areas and interests, IEIs prefer to focus on a particular area that they feel brings personal meaning to their existence and will devote themselves to that area.

IEIs tend to possess a strong desire to prove their intellect to others, and often approach this need in trying to form a consistent, clear understanding of themselves and the world they occupy. With a naturally fluid and ever-changing perception of events, it is common for an IEI to adopt an ideology or credo that outlines the principles they believe in, providing needed structure to their vision and beliefs. Often drawn to philosophy and structures of thought, IEIs can spend a lot of time trying to figure out their priorities in life and the standards for them to live by.

 

[Duffy]

[MENTION=21639]Kullervo[/MENTION]

Have you come across anything by Naomi Quenk? She's written a book called "Was That Really Me?: How Everyday Stress Brings Out Our Hidden Personality." It's partly why I still keep INFJ as a possibility for my type as well. I think I'm probably more neurotic than the average person, making me identify more with introverted functions. I also think enneagram plays a role. Oh and Marie-Louise Von Franz have written similar things. Obviously you can google all of this.

 

[Kullervo]

[MENTION=21639]Kullervo[/MENTION]

Have you come across anything by Naomi Quenk? She's written a book called "Was That Really Me?: How Everyday Stress Brings Out Our Hidden Personality." It's partly why I still keep INFJ as a possibility for my type as well. I think I'm probably more neurotic than the average person, making me identify more with introverted functions. I also think enneagram plays a role. Oh and Marie-Louise Von Franz have written similar things. Obviously you can google all of this.

To be honest, I don't read many books anymore, and sometimes feel pangs of guilt for being so lazy.

But my view is the opposite, I feel stress - or at least chronic stress - is wholly negative, and makes it harder to get in touch with your authentic voice. Mental illness has made it hard for me to type myself accurately. I have to remember who I can be at my best, as well as at my worst.

 

[Destiny]

[MENTION=21639]Kullervo[/MENTION]: Though I've always gotten a bit of Si vibes from you and I was thinking ISxJ as your type initially, but I think INFJ could be a possibility for your type too. I remembered you mentioned before in one of your posts on here that you have depression? I think depression can affect the way you think/act/respond to situations,so this should also be taken into account when typing yourself.

And you probably have a 4 somewhere in your tri-type.

 

[bradly66]

I read your post and in my opinion, you express an Si dom compared to an Ni dom. To me I might say that you might be an ISFJ but that is only my opinion.

 

[Kullervo]

I read your post and in my opinion, you express an Si dom compared to an Ni dom. To me I might say that you might be an ISFJ but that is only my opinion.

Just for the record, I have higher Openness scores than almost anybody else on the forum. It can be very tempting to stereotype, and I am not the only one who has strong political views. Not by a long shot.

My two cents on this is that it hard to deduce Ni vs Si preference unless you know what to look for (at least compared to Ne vs Se). This is probably because of the rather unconscious nature of an introverted perceiving function. Probably the best way to look at answering the question is to see where the person's focus is, and their posting style usually gives an idea: Ni spends most of its time in the future (what could be) to make sense of the present, while Si draws on the past (what has been) to do the same.

This is rather unorthodox but a way I often go about this is to look in political debate threads and see how people choose to frame their arguments. What kinds of appeals the person uses are often a better indication of their functional preference than the views they express. The Confessions thread is also another good place (motivations).

 

[Starry]

So 6w5 it hurts.

The transient/shifting internal experience causes the individual to assume they are Pe.
6w5 in general probably causes others to assume he is INFJ...


IxTJ 6w5

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

So 6w5 it hurts.

The transient/shifting internal experience causes the individual to assume they are Pe.
6w5 in general probably causes others to assume he is INFJ...


IxTJ 6w5

Naw, he's an INFJ. I see lots of Extraverted Feeling in him. That doesn't rule out the 6w5, but I think my type analysis is correct.

 

[Kullervo]

Heheheh, this is getting interesting.
[MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] Care to explain more?

 

[Duffy]

To be honest, I don't read many books anymore, and sometimes feel pangs of guilt for being so lazy.

But my view is the opposite, I feel stress - or at least chronic stress - is wholly negative, and makes it harder to get in touch with your authentic voice. Mental illness has made it hard for me to type myself accurately. I have to remember who I can be at my best, as well as at my worst.

What does this mean?

The reason I bought up Quenk's book was because some of what you're describing sounds like inferior Ne. I also see more 1 and 6 than 4.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

What does this mean?

The reason I bought up Quenk's book was because some of what you're describing sounds like inferior Ne. I also see more 1 and 6 than 4.

He's a Fe user. I know because I'm a more "feelery" INTP. The idea that he uses introverted feeling is absurd.

If he were an INFP, he'd be a lot harder for me to read.

 

[Starry]

Naw, he's an INFJ. I see lots of Extraverted Feeling in him. That doesn't rule out the 6w5, but I think my type analysis is correct.

Heheheh, this is getting interesting.
[MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] Care to explain more?

To make things more interesting/confusing...Fe is often mistaken for Fi at point 6w5 (in spite of the fact I think this is Fe's true home or purest point of expression.) Still I think Kullervo is Fi.

I'll see if I can come up with a more meaningful explanation Kullervo...

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

To make things more interesting/confusing...Fe is often mistaken for Fi at point 6w5 (in spite of the fact I think this is Fe's true home or purest point of expression.) Still I think Kullervo is Fi.

I'll see if I can come up with a more meaningful explanation Kullervo...

INFJ 6w5 makes more sense than anything. He's good at mimicking a lot of different types.... that's a Fe thing. He can get people on his side easily.

INTJs and ISTJs are more curmudgeony. Kullervo is more of a people person.

 

[Kullervo]

What does this mean?

The reason I bought up Quenk's book was because some of what you're describing sounds like inferior Ne. I also see more 1 and 6 than 4.

I am so much more creative when I am happy, full of energy and enjoying my life. This is just what you would expect from a human being and does not suggest any function order: very few are more successful when unhealthy.

It actually amuses me that you are bringing my Enneatype into question now as well (presumably because you believe me to be a Sensor, and of course Sensors cannot be 4s ). You obviously do not understand how the Enneagram system works. I am actually one of the most archetypal 4s on the forum, but this seems paradoxical unless you strip the type down to its essentials - what motivates a 4 (and a 6, for that matter - a lot of people here see me as a cp6) in their life, what do they fear losing the most?

The problem so many people have on here is that they ask the wrong questions, and refuse to learn any better. I challenge all your assumptions about how a person of X type should appear and that is what makes me so hard for you to handle. I am you, and what you hate at the same time.

 

[Duffy]

He's a Fe user. I know because I'm a more "feelery" INTP. The idea that he uses introverted feeling is absurd.

If he were an INFP, he'd be a lot harder for me to read.

I actually agree with you. I think he's IxFJ 6w5, but I'm leaning towards ISFJ.

 

[Duffy]

It actually amuses me that you are bringing my Enneatype into question now as well (presumably because you believe me to be a Sensor, and of course Sensors cannot be 4s ). You obviously do not understand how the Enneagram system works. I am actually one of the most archetypal 4s on the forum, but this seems paradoxical unless you strip the type down to its essentials - what motivates a 4 (and a 6, for that matter - a lot of people here see me as a cp6) in their life, what do they fear losing the most?

I've never said that, but since you've already made up your mind about me, I'd like to hear you bring me up to speed on matters of enneagram.

 

[Starry]

Are you absolutely terrifying [MENTION=21639]Kullervo[/MENTION] ?

If not then you ain't an INFJ 6w5

 

[Kullervo]

I've never said that, but since you've already made up your mind about me, I'd like to hear you bring me up to speed on matters of enneagram.

Sure, just look through my posting history and you'll find my Enneagram posts. Enjoy.

 

[Kullervo]

Are you absolutely terrifying [MENTION=21639]Kullervo[/MENTION] ?

If not then you ain't an INFJ 6w5

Well put it this way, I am attracted to the feelings and visions conjured up by greatness and terror. I worship heroism but again, it is more the idea of doing something heroic, and being of a hero in an abstract way than anything else. This stems from my dreams of transfiguration and becoming an exceptional, great and godlike version of myself. I believe (and was encouraged to believe) that I was destined for something greater than a normal life and have to find some way to leave my mark on the planet. At the moment, this is through music but it could be in any way. But not achieving highly would be incredibly stressful for me and failures hit me harder than most because of the expectations I have for myself.

However I am not great and terrible (though I probably could be, if I invested all my energy into that), just very intense. As some people here know I am attracted to extremes - extreme emotions, extreme views and so on, as they are less boring and I often have them all to myself.

Oh yeah, and did I tell you that I am horny right now. Shall we shag now, or shag later?

 

[Starry]

Oh yeah, and did I tell you that I am horny right now. Shall we shag now, or shag later?

Um wut? No regurgitated food from you first? What kind of girl do you think I am?



PS. That was a sincere question. If you are confusing my intentions in this thread...like INTJ 6w5s are prone to do...then I will depart. If not I will consider what you wrote. Let me know.