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And I don't necessarily see you like this. Although I've seen SpongeBob typed as ENFP 7w6 sx/so as well and I agree haha.
I thought che was an ENFP 6..?
And I don't necessarily see you like this. Although I've seen SpongeBob typed as ENFP 7w6 sx/so as well and I agree haha.
I thought che was an ENFP 6..?
I think Che's early/young adulthood years are about as 7w6 sx as they get but...
I don't believe 6w7s become counterphobic in the Che way (it's a very Si Fe point...where counterphobia manifests as manipulation, sexuality, masculine and feminine roles...very Marilyn Monroe...inside the actors studio haha point.) According to Condon I believe...counterphobia as in the 'Justice Fighter' needs two things in order to come into existence... a connection to 5 and a connection to 6. So the Justice Fighter is only going to show itself in 5w6, 6w5...............and 7w6.
I think he was ENFJ 6w7 Sx/So, but if he is a 7, he is a Social 7
I haven't studied him extensively, but the way he is presented in popular culture at least seems more Sexual 6 "revolutionary looking out for the underdog" than it does 8. ENFP 8 to me seems more like John BrownI know he's considered ENFP by pretty much everyone/most sources... I thought you always typed him as ENFP e8.
I haven't studied him extensively, but the way he is presented in popular culture at least seems more Sexual 6 "revolutionary looking out for the underdog" than it does 8. ENFP 8 to me seems more like John Brown
I was preoccupied with finding resources for you and never found out why this is occurring...why you're questioning this?
Just because I don't really identify with the description of social 7.
This is just me, but I think this is exactly the type of convoluted thinking we should avoid in the enneagram. "5 So's are like this,7 So's are like that" etc.
Keep things simple man.
Although I think, most importantly, so/sx and 7w6 make sense separately. And I think that's what really matters.
So...group of people, good reputation, community feel, many hands make light, navigating and networking with people, being in good standing and feeling like you belong - like to a tribe
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Sexual tension, being considered attractive, easily jealous and competitive, intense passion and feeling alive, championing povs, striving to understand something feverishly, finding out who is intriguing to get to know and who packs the juice - not necessarily the prestige or power, but raw presence - in this joint?
Just because I don't really identify with the description of social 7. [MENTION=4939]kyuuei[/MENTION] did clarify certain parts of it for me such as the part about being ambitious and five-like. Although I still don't feel like one of the most introverted 7s. In fact my extroversion is pretty apparent I've always thought. And while I have social ideals and follow my beliefs I'm still not as self-sacrificial, and I'm not as expectant of reparations when I'm generous with someone. I relate to the 2ish qualities it talks about, "seducing the world." But other than that it just didn't sound like a good fit for me.
Although I think, most importantly, so/sx and 7w6 make sense separately. And I think that's what really matters.
You seem so so/sx to me. Totally, totally personifying it. So/sx is fiery and attachy and "spark"ing too.
Some people might remember that I identified as sx/so for a while. I think especially being a head type with a strong emotional core can make it seem like the social-and-head type combo is not deep enough or passionate enough. But all ENFPs are going to be deep and passionate on some level, it's just a matter of how much and where it manifests.
This is a hard one for me because I'd choose the bolded. "Networking" seems to often be a headache to all variant types minus so/sp, who seems to have a native facility with it, and even then e4 so/sp wouldn't be included. I think if Chay's like me, and he's fairly balanced so-sx, then it can be really hard to separate the fire (sexual) from the warmth (social).
Starry was the one who pointed out to me how my directionality always goes to universals, which can be a Ne thing too but she observed (I hope I'm wording this correctly Starry) how I'd draw a feeling or principle from a one-on-one thing into a bigger-social-picture thing, and that was the first hint to me that I might not in fact be sx/so.
As it turns out for me, being Social-first was something I wasn't aware of because (much like Ne dominance) it was so "native" to me that I didn't even realize I was focusing on it. I assumed everyone processed this way - being highly aware of how people are feeling during interpersonal interactions, noticing the minute cues that people give and respond to in interpersonal interaction, being concerned about the wellbeing of all people involved (seeking to maximize each individual's comfort while minimizing overall discomfort), feeling a connection with every person I encounter, fluidly transitioning to interaction with one person to another, seeking a secure position in a group (this is probably a soc-6 thing), very easily seeing the impact of reputation, and so on. I didn't realize I was thinking about this differently than anyone else.
On the other hand, the sx-type fire has always been palpable and recognizable, the heart-yearning has always been deep and tangible, the melancholic euphoria has always been something that can "color" life beautiful and meaningful and tragic. And I have discovered that even in a relationship there is always going to be this fiery, yearning, melancholy part of me.
I guess the thing that clinches it for me is that when push comes to shove, I believe it's true that I'm Social first. I see Social thoughts and behaviors as a sort of duty (I'm sure this is a very 6 way of putting it) that I have to my fellow beings. Sexual puts beauty and life into the world, but in my mind it comes second, like I have a responsibility to Life and the world to be interconnected and to have a positive impact first and then I can delve into the magic and beauty of it all. I feel like Life and the world gifted this existence to me, and it's my responsibility to give back accordingly. It's not a burden, though, it just feels part and parcel to existence.
And I feel a very instinctual (finally this term makes sense) pull towards each and every person, like I'm connected to everyone on an individual basis. It would seem more Sexual - and I long thought it was - except the pull is there with everyone, and it's more about the love inside everyone than it is about each person. It's about connecting with the universal Love within them, I think, something like that. I find it easy to interact with people (this is maybe very NF and Fi?) because I have always assumed and trusted there's a place inside them that lights up like the place inside me, and it's always been true. It's just a matter of figuring out what lights them up. Sx people light up more quickly and clearly, and for that reason they can be very appealing, but I personally also have a penchant for "cracking" the sx-lasters.
^ for that matter, compare me and skylights and account for 4 vs 6 and your own 7 and you should be able to tell who you relate to more.
Okay, you know, you actually did tell me that Chan and for whatever reason it didn't connect in my mind. Had that occurred haha I would have told you *I personally* would not use Naranjo's social 7 description as a determining factor in this regard (yes, I think he's a genius in many respects and yet there's something very off with his take on the social 7 imo. He also correlated e7 with INTJ if that helps you in anyway haha.)
Still, after a great deal of thought am I ready to slam down the gavel on so/sx for you? I can't say that I am (we've talked about how differently I "do the enneagram" ) I don't think it's as cut and dry with you as it is for others. I do not look past the fact there are many features to your personality that will look and vibe 'social dominance' even if it could somehow be scientifically proven this is not the case. All ENFP e7s...especially when they are young and the world is new...will have a so/sx vibe to them. Add to that a strong 2 fix? <-And it's all over...Done.
^^None of this is why I will personally refrain from assigning to you an order of variants. I refrain because I sense something in you that has not yet come to the surface/fruition. You are brilliant, thoughtful and extraordinarily authentic. You have also been pampered your entire life by an ENFJ mom. There's a power in you that you have not yet claimed <-and until that happens I can't tell you what that is or who you are.
[MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION]...I know ENFPs hate being called upon to respond to things that a great amount of effort to respond to...but your last post is still running through my mind and I want answers. haha
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This part is what reminded me to come to this thread today and reply, though. Would you mind explaining this in detail? The power in me I have not yet claimed? I'm confused as to what it means, but I do understand what you mean after being guided through life the whole time by my mom, being catered to without even having to ask, that my more independent side that enjoys flexing it's muscles (and also threw a bitch fit whenever my mom tried doing me favors unwarranted) is finally starting to show.