Another Enneagram one who's a definite Mbti P-type here, just to provide further evidence that they do actually exist
Other than the analysis paralysis issue I relate most strongly to Magic from what has been posted here. There are some other interesting contributions though. I'm all too familiar with most of the issues people are bringing up.
I'm not really convinced that the concept of Wings has a sound basis - it seems to be determined more by geometric than psychological considerations. My results in any case would tend to go either way or just be "balanced" depending on personal context or the test I was taking, rather as Magic was saying of himself. I'm probably more often acting in the context of a 1w9, but there's scarcely a difference for me if even there's anything in that part of the system. So, let me think:
1 (balanced) sx/so
I actually think the 1w9 is a more important part of my personality than MBTI or socionics is because my enneagram type (though I have been confused at times) is much more consistent. I can easily, clearly and retrospectively see all of the 1w9 aspects intertwined with all stages of my life. The MBTI has instead been easily affected by my environment, my stress and energy levels. The enneagram type just seems more "all encompassing".
I relate to this to quite a large extent. Although I'm perfectly confident of my Mbti type (unlike many), it's the only one that fits, and it makes a lot of sense to me; I nevertheless am a very untypical example of the type if my observations and experiences with my own type both here and irl are anything to go by. I understand where they're coming from, but our motivations, style of acting and preoccupations are quite foreign most of the time; we may be following the same cognitive process a lot of the time, but have a quite different outlook on ourselves and on life. Enneagram-wise, I find myself relating to almost everything that's being posted in this thread, though most people are types that are not even close to my own.
Alright I'm biting.
I don't really think of myself as a perfectionist...everyone says they're a perfectionist. It's one of the meaningless comments you make when asked what is a bad quality you have, say "I'm a perfectionist."
I don't. It would seem like a manipulative form of indirect self-promotion, so I wouldn't have the remotest inclination to go there. People will probably find out about my perfectionism and tendency to be critical over certain issues in good time, whether I want them to know or not...
Interestingly enough, I once read that a big difference between 1s and 3s is that 1s couldnt promote themselves even if they tried, where as 3s cant help it!
Certainly fits my own experience.
Sometimes it might leave us looking like we have no identity. Of course, we do have an identity. Its an identity that seeks to be above condemnation by always being right, seeking the right answer and sometimes correcting everyone else's wrong answer. Again, sometimes these right answers can be oppositional to each other, making us look like hypocrites or even rule books. "How can they be so into doing 'everything' right in such different realms of thought/action/belief???". It looks like we are trying too hard, being too judgemental and having too much pride in a know-it-all existence all at the same time. Thats just how it looks though.
^ This
I think our most honorable trait is the desire to be "right" even when its against our cause (admitting to your own ideologies faults for example). Think how valuable this is in something like politics or anywhere when we are leading people with some ethics in mind. Our most deplorable trait might be that sometimes in our own search to be right, we bring others down with us through critiquing people even when its not totally necessary.
The former can lead to a lot of frustration when trying to get your point across though. People are so used to encountering a more simplistic assumption of your own views being beyond reproach (actually an ego-defense, whereas the ego-defense for ones inheres, somewhat counter-intuitively, in precisely the need to be open to alternative views to escape the criticism of being narrow or dogmatic) that they frequently assume it to indicate a lack of confidence or inconsistency; then proceed to be very surprised at their inability to shift you from a position which is no less firmly held because you can rationally agknowledge its flaws. This is my experience, anyway.
The latter point rings unpleasantly true, I've encountered it so many times. Unfortunately it's difficult for others not to take it personally, and many will lash out and stop at nothing to bring
you down to the level they erroneously suppose you are trying to bring them to. It can be extremely difficult to get across that you in fact were simply motivated by wishing for a few minor improvements when someone has switched off the rational part of their brain in their conviction that you are trying to destroy them utterly, and is just out for revenge by any means possible.
It's extremely difficult for a one in these situations because the self-imposed restrictions we place on our conduct make it impossible to participate in a "dirty" conflict on equal terms. Here's a metaphor I find semi-amusing:
It's a bit like feeling bound to fight an old-fashioned duel where you intend to defend your own honour and observe the rules of civilised decency by walking the regulation ten paces, turning at the prescribed moment, and firing a single shot. However, you discover that your less conscientious opponent came armed with an automatic weapon, which they pull out as soon as your back was turned, finally seeing a moment of weakness, and proceed to spray a destructive stream of bullets wildly around the surrounding countryside in their vengeful rage, supported by several heavily armed friends with flamethrowers and bazookas who they recruited and hid in the hedgerows to ambush you. (You of course came alone, as you did not really want to fight this battle, and if you must, it's against your principles to drag anyone else into it.) You survive though, albeit battered, bruised, and scorched, as all their firepower inevitably goes wide of the mark due to their total inability to see you clearly in the first place. However, the authorites then turn up and blame
you for the resulting devastation. Worse, you blame yourself
Neither triumph in victory or glory in defeat can be gained from these inadvertant personal conflicts. I just wish I could find a way to stay out of them altogether
I suspect it's the fact that the criticisms are actually pertinent and can't really be gainsaid which tends to threaten people into such a defensive, emotionally charged response. Sometime I almost feel like I'm the only one who actually is not only willing, but feels the obligation to change myself and accept responsibility for my own mistakes.
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