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The biggest discrepancy between socionics and MBTI concerns the Jung's parameter Rationality/Irrationality. In his work "Psychological Types", Carl Jung divided all eight types (or eight function) into two groups: RATIONAL and IRRATIONAL. The four Jung's types (Se, Si, Ne, Ni) share common parameter IRRATIONALITY, and the other four types (Fe, Fi, Te, Ti) have a common parameter RATIONALITY. According to Jung, a type is rational if its main (dominant) psychic function is rational, a type is irrational if its main psychic function is irrational.
Socionics uses the Rationality/Irrationality parameter, which, according to socionics practitioners, is identical to the Jungian Rationality/Irrationality parameter.
The MBTI has the concept of Judging/Perceiving, which is considered by Socionics practitioners to be the same as Rationality/Irrationality. However, MBTI practitioners do not consider it the same. They believe that Judging/Perceiving refer only to whatever function the type shows in the outer world, i.e. the DOMINANT function for EXTRAVERTED types, and the AUXILIARY function for INTROVERTED types.
Carl Jung emphasizes that the rationality/irrationality of a type is determined by the main function of the type:
“Thinking, as primary function, can readily pair with intuition as auxiliary, or indeed equally well with sensation… they are functions of perception, affording welcome assistance to thought. As soon as they reached the same level of differentiation as thinking, they would cause a change of attitude, which would contradict the tendency of thinking. For they would convert the judging attitude into a perceiving one; whereupon the principle of rationality indispensable to thought would be suppressed in favour of the irrationality of mere perception.”
See more here https://7promeniv.com.ua/4-interaction-styles/2982-ratio-irratio-in-socionics-and-mbti
Do you think Jung's concept of rationality/irrationality corresponds to the MBTI concept of judging/perceiving? If not, could you explain, what is Jungian concept of Irrationality that is common to four types (Ne, Ni, Se, Si), and what is Jungian concept of Rationality, common to four types (Fe, Fi, Te, Ti) ?
The tread on this topic at this forum https://www.typologycentral.com/thr...ersus-mbti-j-p-do-they-even-correlate.103516/
Socionics uses the Rationality/Irrationality parameter, which, according to socionics practitioners, is identical to the Jungian Rationality/Irrationality parameter.
The MBTI has the concept of Judging/Perceiving, which is considered by Socionics practitioners to be the same as Rationality/Irrationality. However, MBTI practitioners do not consider it the same. They believe that Judging/Perceiving refer only to whatever function the type shows in the outer world, i.e. the DOMINANT function for EXTRAVERTED types, and the AUXILIARY function for INTROVERTED types.
Carl Jung emphasizes that the rationality/irrationality of a type is determined by the main function of the type:
“Thinking, as primary function, can readily pair with intuition as auxiliary, or indeed equally well with sensation… they are functions of perception, affording welcome assistance to thought. As soon as they reached the same level of differentiation as thinking, they would cause a change of attitude, which would contradict the tendency of thinking. For they would convert the judging attitude into a perceiving one; whereupon the principle of rationality indispensable to thought would be suppressed in favour of the irrationality of mere perception.”
See more here https://7promeniv.com.ua/4-interaction-styles/2982-ratio-irratio-in-socionics-and-mbti
Do you think Jung's concept of rationality/irrationality corresponds to the MBTI concept of judging/perceiving? If not, could you explain, what is Jungian concept of Irrationality that is common to four types (Ne, Ni, Se, Si), and what is Jungian concept of Rationality, common to four types (Fe, Fi, Te, Ti) ?
The tread on this topic at this forum https://www.typologycentral.com/thr...ersus-mbti-j-p-do-they-even-correlate.103516/
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