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Does anyone "deserve" to be hit?

Is it ever justified to smack somebody?


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CrystalViolet

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Hmmmm....in an ideal world, reasoning and communication would be the best answer, but this isn't an ideal world. For some, a smack down is the only way to reinforce the lesson of unacceptable behaviour and it's consequences. Violence is the only communication some people know.
A prime example of this is a man making unwanted psyichal sexual advances on a woman i.e. grabbing her breasts, touching her buttocks etc. If the women has made it quite clear verbally she isn't interested, and her friends have made it quite clear verbally also (a warning per se). If the man continues in this unacceptable behaviour, whilst not ideal, it is quite accetable socially at least for a male friend of said women (or the woman herself, if she is able) to "Punish" said man psyichally. I'd dare say he deserved it, but ideal, no.
 

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Hmmmm....in an ideal world, reasoning and communication would be the best answer, but this isn't an ideal world. For some, a smack down is the only way to reinforce the lesson of unacceptable behaviour and it's consequences. Violence is the only communication some people know.
A prime example of this is a man making unwanted psyichal sexual advances on a woman i.e. grabbing her breasts, touching her buttocks etc. If the women has made it quite clear verbally she isn't interested, and her friends have made it quite clear verbally also (a warning per se). If the man continues in this unacceptable behaviour, whilst not ideal, it is quite accetable socially at least for a male friend of said women (or the woman herself, if she is able) to "Punish" said man psyichally. I'd dare say he deserved it, but ideal, no.

It would be hilarious for a male to start groping the other man publicly to show the other man what it is like:yim_rolling_on_the_ Of course it would take an extremely secure man to do this in public.

An eye for an eye and I am talking about uncomfortableness as if you do it back thats what he wants.
 
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My 2 cents.

Deserve? Sure, everybody deserves some kick in the ass from time to time. Theoretically. Do they deserve to be really hit? No, that's not going to solve anything. If anything, it will only make things worse.

Is it ever justified to smack somebody?

Theoretically yes. But, again, it's not justified when it's carried into action. It's their problem if they can't control themselves and it's your problem if you can't control yourself. It's all about choices and how you choose to communicate.



Whatever, as usual. I really love these threads. I can sit comfortably with my computer and hypothesize and act all high and mighty when in reality...who knows what I'd do, I'd probably beat people to pulp when the situation demands it, I'd lose control and act impulsively, regardless of how moral, merciful or whatever I think I am.
 

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No, that's not going to solve anything. If anything, it will only make things worse.

Is it ever justified to smack somebody?

t's not justified when it's carried into action. It's their problem if they can't control themselves and it's your problem if you can't control yourself. It's all about choices and how you choose to communicate.

Can't compute. How is it not justified when it's carried into action? Smacking somebody is a not necessarily out of no control.
 

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Can't compute. How is it not justified when it's carried into action? Smacking somebody is a not necessarily out of no control.

I personally wont change my justification anytime physical violence is involved because I dont want to justify violence. I dont want it to become a justified response, I want the action to stay tied to that single situation and the next time a similiar situation comes up I dont want to feel justified that violence is the best solution. Would cause me to stop looking for a better solution.
 
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Can't compute. How is it not justified when it's carried into action? Smacking somebody is a not necessarily out of no control.

Um. Because I said so? It made sense in my mind at the time I posted it, I swear. Anyway, me no speak English, don't really feel like getting into a pointless argument so, sorry for leaving you guessing. I am so out of here.
 

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I personally wont change my justification anytime physical violence is involved because I dont want to justify violence. I dont want it to become a justified response, I want the action to stay tied to that single situation and the next time a similiar situation comes up I dont want to feel justified that violence is the best solution. Would cause me to stop looking for a better solution.
I see...
Um. Because I said so? It made sense in my mind at the time I posted it, I swear. Anyway, me no speak English, don't really feel like getting into a pointless argument so, sorry for leaving you guessing. I am so out of here.

Forgive me, I'm not trying to argue. My brain is just too slow.
 

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One of the more enduring ideas in psychology, dating back to the time of William James a little more than a century ago, is the notion that human behavior is not the product of a single process, but rather reflects the interaction of different specialized subsystems. These systems, the idea goes, usually interact seamlessly to determine behavior, but at times they may compete. The end result is that the brain sometimes argues with itself, as these distinct systems come to different conclusions about what we should do.

The major distinction responsible for these internal disagreements is the one between automatic and controlled processes. System 1 is generally automatic, affective and heuristic-based, which means that it relies on mental “shortcuts.” It quickly proposes intuitive answers to problems as they arise. System 2, which corresponds closely with controlled processes, is slow, effortful, conscious, rule-based and also can be employed to monitor the quality of the answer provided by System 1. If it’s convinced that our intuition is wrong, then it’s capable of correcting or overriding the automatic judgments.

I am working to find another article I came across yesterday that used sensors to monitor activity and shows 2 seperate decision making parts. One which seems controlled and the other reactive.

I dont believe intuition in this article refers to N. Possibly a combination of external perception combined with internal perception that bypasses a judgement or understanding function. A mental shortcut in a similiar fashion we have physical shortcuts like how a doctor can hit your knee and make your leg jump.
 

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This thread makes me think of the martial art Aikido. Wherein the principle is to neutralize the aggressor, while causing as little (or no) lasting damage to them as possible.

An interesting principle that can be surprisingly effective in the hands of a practitioner. However, of the resources I've read, awareness is the most trained conflict resolution skill they use. And I do believe that good awareness is pivotal for preemptive conflict resolution. Though it may not always keep you out of trouble, it will drastically reduce your odds of it.

As I said earlier self-defense is always justified in my mind. The trick is to make it appropriate to the threat, which isn't always easy.
 

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This thread makes me think of the martial art Aikedo. Wherein the principle is to neutralize the aggressor, while causing as little (or no) lasting damage to them as possible.

An interesting principle that can be surprisingly effective in the hands of a practitioner. However, of the resources I've read, awareness is the most trained conflict resolution skill they use. And I do believe that good awareness is pivotal for preemptive conflict resolution. Though it may not always keep you out of trouble, it will drastically reduce your odds of it.

As I said earlier self-defense is always justified in my mind. The trick is to make it appropriate to the threat, which isn't always easy.

This is one of the key principles I try to follow. I would call it one of my ideals I strive and push for. Having been in martial arts for about 10 years I have always wondered what would happen if I got in a fight outside of class, but I have never had anything ever escalate into a full on fight. *stupid ideal, someone fight me!!!!:D*
 

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Kra!!

Fix the spelling... it's Aikido. :tongue10:



Let's go poki...I'm out of practice...
 

Kra

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Kra!!

Fix the spelling... it's Aikido. :tongue10:



Let's go poki...I'm out of practice...

Whoops! Well, there goes my credibility on the subject. :doh: :laugh:

I suppose I should have also mentioned that I'm not a practitioner. I simply read a book about it because I found it very interesting. Though I wouldn't mind learning it. Sadly, there are no instructors in my area. :sad:
 

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Funnily enough it's the only martial art I've ever really been drawn to, precisely because of it's philosophy.
 

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One last off-topic and then I won't derail anymore.

There is a Krav Maga gym not too far away though. Though their philosophy is more about survival, I could get into that.
 

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I was gonna say, "No, hitting is never justifiable," but (MIRACLE) I realized that doesn't mesh at all with the real world. If anyone threatened my family, especially my little sister, with physical violence, my first reaction would be to slug them in the jugular.
So I agree with Kra, self-defense is definitely justifiable.

As for child rearing? Never. But that branches into a whole different topic
 

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When I voted No, I meant it can't be justified, if you are the aggressor. Self defense of course can always be justified.
 

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Nobody deserves to be hit, but everybody deserves to hit somebody.

An ambiguous statement, that doesn't mean much of anything, but my answer is still "Yes", if only to jolt them back to reality.
 
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