Nocapszy
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typology mythbusting
well as i've said before, for the most part i don't race anymore -- i'm retired to stud -- but i figured i have a few more things to offer so here goes.
starting with this garbage about "sensor bias"
i'm not a sensorist... or whatever you'd call it (does the group have enough constituents to merit word-smithing?)
they [mostly being kiersey, a man i thoroughly disagree with on a great lot of typology, including the subtypes] say that NTs are usually hyper-critical thinkers and more astute than the STs and the NFs are hyper-sensitive feelers and more caring/empathic than the SFs.
these things are probably true.
hear me out.
it's a myth that Thinking/Feeling is necessarily a stronger force in the iNtuitive types.
the truth is* a preference for iNtuition isn't what helps Judgement. it's not as if Intuitive information is easier to work with, or better information or any of that.
prior to this thread, this has been the assumption -- that intuition is just plain better.
well that's nonsense.
what puts the intuitors in the lead is the fact that there is so much more for Thinking and Feeling to work with.
iNtuition is a function which depends in part on the immediate sense impressions and with other sense impressions.
stop right there -- no i'm not describing Si. that's not the end of it.
along with that, intuition is capable of generating a bond of hypothesis between these two. this bond is what the intuitor makes himself aware of.
this is the truth: iNtuitives, you do notice concrete details.
you just don't make yourself consciously aware of them until they become relevant.
by contrast, sensation makes the user aware of those things which the intuitor used to generate an abstraction, rather than the abstraction itself.
therein lies the distinction between the Ss and the Ns. this is something to look for.
all conscious thought is done by Thinking or Feeling. everything from complicated mathematics to simply cognizing the existence of a watch on a desk.
an ISTP and an INTP might be equally brilliant mechanics, just as the same two might be equally brilliant theoretical physicists.
this is the key: the faculty of perception in an ISTP will notice the wrench; the contours, the lettering, the color, the [...] where an INTP will remember about the bolt and form the hypothetical bond and it occurs to him that he can use it to tighten or loosen the bolt.
both of these types are taking in information about the wrench.
Sensors, after having taken in everything they can about the wrench itself can't really learn anything more about it without access to something it can be used on.
S_Ps learn to become very resourceful in devising ways [often through "impulses"] of forcing the object to offer more information about itself.
the iNtuitive on the other hand does not necessarily require environmental stimulation.
as a matter of fact, they can continue to form abstractions which can themselves be used to birth newer ideas/hunches.
in case you can't yet see, the Sensor is limited by his environment.
the iNtuitor is limited only by his mind.
if the iNtuitor isn't born stupid, their judgement faculty will surely have much more information to work with, and will likely be more finely tuned.
the same way a curious Sensor might be discouraged from doing "naughty" things by mommy and daddy, an iNtuitive might be discouraged from thinking 'bad' things [i don't know... parents are fucking stupid] so there's going to be some give-and-take for both versions.
oh and all that stuff i said about IS/NTPs and mechanical things applies for IS/NFP and Feeler stuff.
i just didn't go into detail 'cause i don't really know what Feelers think about.
i sometimes think i do, but then i get shown up by an astute F, and it's happened enough times that i have to admit that i just don't know what you guys think about. i can't keep track.
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sensor bias is the only one i have for now.
i put a star in there somewhere and i was going to address it but i forgot what it was about and i'm not about to scroll up.
well as i've said before, for the most part i don't race anymore -- i'm retired to stud -- but i figured i have a few more things to offer so here goes.
starting with this garbage about "sensor bias"
i'm not a sensorist... or whatever you'd call it (does the group have enough constituents to merit word-smithing?)
they [mostly being kiersey, a man i thoroughly disagree with on a great lot of typology, including the subtypes] say that NTs are usually hyper-critical thinkers and more astute than the STs and the NFs are hyper-sensitive feelers and more caring/empathic than the SFs.
these things are probably true.
hear me out.
it's a myth that Thinking/Feeling is necessarily a stronger force in the iNtuitive types.
the truth is* a preference for iNtuition isn't what helps Judgement. it's not as if Intuitive information is easier to work with, or better information or any of that.
prior to this thread, this has been the assumption -- that intuition is just plain better.
well that's nonsense.
what puts the intuitors in the lead is the fact that there is so much more for Thinking and Feeling to work with.
iNtuition is a function which depends in part on the immediate sense impressions and with other sense impressions.
stop right there -- no i'm not describing Si. that's not the end of it.
along with that, intuition is capable of generating a bond of hypothesis between these two. this bond is what the intuitor makes himself aware of.
this is the truth: iNtuitives, you do notice concrete details.
you just don't make yourself consciously aware of them until they become relevant.
by contrast, sensation makes the user aware of those things which the intuitor used to generate an abstraction, rather than the abstraction itself.
therein lies the distinction between the Ss and the Ns. this is something to look for.
all conscious thought is done by Thinking or Feeling. everything from complicated mathematics to simply cognizing the existence of a watch on a desk.
an ISTP and an INTP might be equally brilliant mechanics, just as the same two might be equally brilliant theoretical physicists.
this is the key: the faculty of perception in an ISTP will notice the wrench; the contours, the lettering, the color, the [...] where an INTP will remember about the bolt and form the hypothetical bond and it occurs to him that he can use it to tighten or loosen the bolt.
both of these types are taking in information about the wrench.
Sensors, after having taken in everything they can about the wrench itself can't really learn anything more about it without access to something it can be used on.
S_Ps learn to become very resourceful in devising ways [often through "impulses"] of forcing the object to offer more information about itself.
the iNtuitive on the other hand does not necessarily require environmental stimulation.
as a matter of fact, they can continue to form abstractions which can themselves be used to birth newer ideas/hunches.
in case you can't yet see, the Sensor is limited by his environment.
the iNtuitor is limited only by his mind.
if the iNtuitor isn't born stupid, their judgement faculty will surely have much more information to work with, and will likely be more finely tuned.
the same way a curious Sensor might be discouraged from doing "naughty" things by mommy and daddy, an iNtuitive might be discouraged from thinking 'bad' things [i don't know... parents are fucking stupid] so there's going to be some give-and-take for both versions.
oh and all that stuff i said about IS/NTPs and mechanical things applies for IS/NFP and Feeler stuff.
i just didn't go into detail 'cause i don't really know what Feelers think about.
i sometimes think i do, but then i get shown up by an astute F, and it's happened enough times that i have to admit that i just don't know what you guys think about. i can't keep track.
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sensor bias is the only one i have for now.
i put a star in there somewhere and i was going to address it but i forgot what it was about and i'm not about to scroll up.